Recent Dean comments on life issue.

[Everett]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

[opebo]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

[Everett]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

[opebo]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

I have no desire to do anything for you, or any other poor, everett.  I merely have a compulsion to criticize foolish, self destructive behavior.

[Everett]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

I have no desire to do anything for you, or any other poor, everett.  I merely have a compulsion to criticize foolish, self destructive behavior.

Oh, so you finally admit that you aren't some liberal extremist savior, champion of the poor. Damn.

[opebo]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

I have no desire to do anything for you, or any other poor, everett.  I merely have a compulsion to criticize foolish, self destructive behavior.

Oh, so you finally admit that you aren't some liberal extremist savior, champion of the poor. Damn.

I never made any such claim, everett.   

[KillerPollo]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

I have no desire to do anything for you, or any other poor, everett.  I merely have a compulsion to criticize foolish, self destructive behavior.

Oh, so you finally admit that you aren't some liberal extremist savior, champion of the poor. Damn.

I never made any such claim, everett.   

dude, just turn republican again. Nobody likes a liberal extremist.

[opebo]

Private charity is no substitute for an entitlement provided by ones political influence/power.

Then please use your rich white man status to get into power and thus 'entitle' the hungry poors out there to their proper shares of the cake. I'm still eagerly waiting for my share, opebo - remember that I'm a poor and have to work to provide for myself (what a nightmare on Earth!).

I have no power, everett.  If you wish to get more than the crumbs, vote as left wing as possible.

Then get into power yourself, sugarpie, and give me more than the crumbs yourself. I am obviously entitled to more than the crumbs and therefore should not need to put any effort into working for them - that is, I should not need to change anything about my voting patterns (considering that I don't even vote) in order to deserve what I am fully entitled to. So whether or not I vote left-wing is completely irrelevant.

I have no desire to do anything for you, or any other poor, everett.  I merely have a compulsion to criticize foolish, self destructive behavior.

Oh, so you finally admit that you aren't some liberal extremist savior, champion of the poor. Damn.

I never made any such claim, everett.   

dude, just turn republican again. Nobody likes a liberal extremist.

Plenty of people dislike the Religious Party as well, Pollo.

[Ebowed]

Exactly. Pro-life Democrats are good people. They differ from pro-life Republicans greatly. Pro-life Democrats like Harry Reid work to reduce the number of abortions, not criminalize abortion (this is the best course of action).

As a pro-life Democrat, I have to say that you don't represent what pro-life Democrats are about.  Harry Reid is as pro-choice as any other standard Democrat.  Yes, I would like to see the number of abortions reduced (other than Opebo, who wouldn't?), but that isn't enough.  Full criminalization is necessary.  You can't say you're anti-murder if you seek to reduce the number of murders but don't want to make it completely illegal, can you?

Also, being a pro-life Democrat is more than just abortion; I opposed invading Iraq (though frankly I don't believe we can pull our troops out now that we're there), and I am staunchly opposed to the use of capital punishment in all cases.

[TeePee4Prez]

Why do you think that being pro-life automatically forces someone to be far-right economically?  That's a clear non sequitur.

You're right. I meant to refer to pro-life Republicans.

Thank you for clarifying.

However, you have replaced one blanket generalization with another: that all pro-life Republicans are also far-right economically.  Surely you have been around this forum long enough to realize that some Republicans are pro-choice, but stick with the party for economic reasons.  There are also Republicans who support a centrist or even left-wing economic policy, but are strongly pro-life.  Many Republicans Catholics fit this description.

You also continue to equate right-wing economics with a lack of compassion and charity.  This is unfounded, since it is perfectly reasonable to be right economically and still support private charity.  I personally believe that charity is when people give voluntarily, rather than when the government forces them.

What you said about Republican Catholics is true of a lot of people I know in the party, my own father inculded.  He was one of those "my dad was a UAW commiteeman and I was once a Democrat until they shafted Bob Casey, and BLAH BLAH BLAH."  Yes Blue Rectangle, you have a point, however people such as my father are unfortunately brick walls when it comes to voting and abortion.  It's more a matter of the pro-life "voters" such as him being mislead like sheep while the leaders behind it really don't give two sh!ts about that issue.  It's sad to see people from my background sign up as pawns  for such things as Generation Life of the Pro-Life Union of SE Pennsylvania while the leaders post such baseless nonsense against the Democratic party on their websites.  I think that's what Howard Dean was trying to say and if that were the case then I agree with him.   

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What a straw man. Pro-choicers care about the health of any baby born or unborn to a woman who decided to give birth.

[MODU]

What a straw man. Pro-choicers care about the health of any baby born or unborn to a woman who decided to give birth.

Uh.........

"We care for the health of an unborn baby so much that we are willing to kill the unborn baby for any reason we wish."

[Platypus]

it peeves me that 'life issue' means abortion...newspeak.