Denmark and Austria plan joint asylum centers ... in Greenland ?

[Tender Branson]

Today, Denmark and Austria (Rasmussen and Kurz) confirmed plans that they want to intern asylum seekers in a joint center in a "very unattractive place" which is "far away from the EU".

https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/daenemark-plant-asylzentrum-an-nicht-besonders-attraktivem-ort-mit-oesterreich/400046015

[dead0man]

They just want safety and security, few places are as safe and secure as Greenland.  Great move.

[Tender Branson]

They just want safety and security, few places are as safe and secure as Greenland.  Great move.

Correct.

If African and Middle-Eastern economic immigrants are brought to Greenland to process their requests, the news would certainly spread to their home countries and future migrants would certainly think twice or three times about trying to get to Europe ...

[ingemann]

It's not going to be Greenland, it would be too expensive.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

This seems like a galaxy brain version of the Australian Pacific solution. Except for Australia there is geographic and logistical sense in keeping migrants in Nauru (whatever you think morally of the plan) ... Less so for taking refugees across the Atlantic Ocean and into the Arctic Circle.

[ingemann]

This seems like a galaxy brain version of the Australian Pacific solution. Except for Australia there is geographic and logistical sense in keeping migrants in Nauru (whatever you think morally of the plan) ... Less so for taking refugees across the Atlantic Ocean and into the Arctic Circle.

Yes, but it should be said that the whole Greenland thing is a Austrian media theory as the destination haven't been mentioned. I very much doubt that Greenland would be selected, but that's not because of transportation cost, which is a minor issue, but because of the Greenlandic attitude toward such a idea and because the cost of running the centre on Greenland would be ridiculous.

[dead0man]

This seems like a galaxy brain version of the Australian Pacific solution. Except for Australia there is geographic and logistical sense in keeping migrants in Nauru (whatever you think morally of the plan) ... Less so for taking refugees across the Atlantic Ocean and into the Arctic Circle.

Yes, but it should be said that the whole Greenland thing is a Austrian media theory as the destination haven't been mentioned. I very much doubt that Greenland would be selected, but that's not because of transportation cost, which is a minor issue, but because of the Greenlandic attitude toward such a idea and because the cost of running the centre on Greenland would be ridiculous.

well, there will be plenty of already being paid for and not busy labor standing around, so costs will be lower on that front.  You don't need a fence in Greenland!, where are they going to go?  The few dozen people already in Greenland are pretty easy to avoid.  While it's not bigger than S.America like it appears on flat maps, it's still pretty damn big/empty.  And again, there are few (no?) places on Earth as safe and secure as Greenland (mind the Polar Bears though).

[ingemann]

This seems like a galaxy brain version of the Australian Pacific solution. Except for Australia there is geographic and logistical sense in keeping migrants in Nauru (whatever you think morally of the plan) ... Less so for taking refugees across the Atlantic Ocean and into the Arctic Circle.

Yes, but it should be said that the whole Greenland thing is a Austrian media theory as the destination haven't been mentioned. I very much doubt that Greenland would be selected, but that's not because of transportation cost, which is a minor issue, but because of the Greenlandic attitude toward such a idea and because the cost of running the centre on Greenland would be ridiculous.

well, there will be plenty of already being paid for and not busy labor standing around, so costs will be lower on that front.  You don't need a fence in Greenland!, where are they going to go?  The few dozen people already in Greenland are pretty easy to avoid.  While it's not bigger than S.America like it appears on flat maps, it's still pretty damn big/empty.  And again, there are few (no?) places on Earth as safe and secure as Greenland (mind the Polar Bears though).

Polar bears are not a problem, the problem is the infrastructure (water and energy), the transportation cost for food and the access to a work force. These camps have to be placed near Greenlandic city to lower these cost, but that risk problems with the locals.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Amazing plan. Hope more follow suit.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Once muslim economic migrants text each other that they are going to Greenland unpaid, the illegal immigration rate will drop to 0.00%.

That is exactly what Australia did with Manus Island, and we have not had a single boat since 2013.

Policy works better than walls.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Once muslim economic migrants text each other that they are going to Greenland unpaid, the illegal immigration rate will drop to 0.00%.

That is exactly what Australia did with Manus Island, and we have not had a single boat since 2013.

Policy works better than walls.

This is why I endorse this fantastic plan.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

A literal gulag archipelago? This sounds mildly more plausible than settling refugees on the moon.

Much more palatable than the current system.

[Famous Mortimer]

Camps are dumb, they're very bad optics, especially once the welfare migrants get smart enough to start bringing their children.

Just don't let them in. If they get in, dump them in Libya. Simple as that.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Camps are dumb, they're very bad optics, especially once the welfare migrants get smart enough to start bringing their children.

Just don't let them in. If they get in, dump them in Libya. Simple as that.

Offshore detention is effective at stopping the problem at it's root cause i.e. the decision to migrate in the first place.

Look at two immigration examples:

Economic refugees from Sri Lanka, Middle East and North Africa are looking to resettle.

1. Angela Merkel and her Swedish friends announce that they will welcome refugees on full welfare if they come to Germany / Scandinavia.

- Europe is flooded with mass migration. Refer to Tender Branson for updates on how that worked out.

2. Australia announces that all illegal refugees will be transferred to offshore detention and never given a legal path to citizenship.

- Zero illegal arrivals by boat in 5 years.

At the end of the day, the policy in Australia has resulted in:

Zero deaths at sea for refugees.
Zero new children in detention;
Zero separation of children at the border;
All of the children in detention were put their by the left wing policies in place at the time of their illegal arrival.

We take refugees from Sudan, Syria (and hopefully Norway), but they arrive on our terms.

Economic muslim refugees are not stupid. For example, coming from Iran to Australia, there are approximately 7 muslim nations and regions they could choose to re-settle. But they choose not to settle in a country where they would be safe.

They risk everything to get the golden honeypot at the end of the rainbow - the Australian Welfare System.

Within 2-3 years or release into the community, around 80-90% of refugee arrivals end up on welfare, their intended goal. And send money out of the country as fast as their credit rating will allow.

Once that welfare "free money" was removed from the table, within the space of a few weeks, the texts were sent, and Australia was no longer attractive as a destination port for economic migration.

And those who previously made it are now over-represented in criminal prosecution rates.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5434413/Iranian-refugee-couple-caught-36-KILOS-ice.html

Why would you take people in if they are only going to rob your country economically?

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

The silence from the red avatar, open border hacks is telling.

[Hatman 🍁]

The silence from the red avatar, open border hacks is telling.

What's there to say? This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

The silence from the red avatar, open border hacks is telling.

What's there to say? This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Because it worked in Australia? Pshh. A ready made solution to the migrant crisis, but apparently only “open borders” will work, eh?

[Hatman 🍁]

The silence from the red avatar, open border hacks is telling.

What's there to say? This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

apparently only “open borders” will work, eh?

Yes, this is correct.

[Tender Branson]

BTW: Greenland has only been briefly mentioned.

But now it seems they (= EU leaders in a compromise) could settle on Albania, which is almost the same idiocy as with the camps in Greece (and only a few hundred kilometers away from our border).

IMO, Greenland and/or North Africa of course remain the best options: far away from the EU, where they can't do any harm and where they can file for asylum and remain there until their requests are properly reviewed.

[ingemann]

BTW: Greenland has only been briefly mentioned.

But now it seems they (= EU leaders in a compromise) could settle on Albania, which is almost the same idiocy as with the camps in Greece (and only a few hundred kilometers away from our border).

IMO, Greenland and/or North Africa of course remain the best options: far away from the EU, where they can't do any harm and where they can file for asylum and remain there until their requests are properly reviewed.

Albania is fine, yes I would prefer that there was a sea between us and these migrants, but the moment we have camps in Albania, we can send them there and we will have their fingerprints and DNA, so they won't be able to seek asylum in EU, and they can be returned to the Albanian camps, the moment the authority become aware of them.

So this will remove most of the benefits of trying to enter EU.

[EPG]

Needless to say, back in real world, Albania like North Africa is demanding shedloads of blood money before housing European shame camps.

Australia is extremely far away from everything, even New Zealand, never mind actual warzones. If there was a civil war next door, Australia would indeed receive boats.