black turnout and sanders

[bagelman]

would sanders really have a bad effect on black turnout? would it simply not improve? or would it actually improve?

[Make My Bank Account Great Again]

The DNC would ensure that the ground game that was carried out on Election Day would be executed no matter who the nominee is. Even if they didn't like Sanders, the downballot races are  too important to give up.

The difference in black turnout would be negligible.

[Horus]

would sanders really have a bad effect on black turnout? would it simply not improve? or would it actually improve?

It would dip a bit, but I think he would've made up for it in MI, WI etc. VA would've been closer, but I think he would've held on there. GA and NC would be close to solid Trump.

[publicunofficial]

The DNC would ensure that the ground game that was carried out on Election Day would be executed no matter who the nominee is. Even if they didn't like Sanders, the downballot races are  too important to give up.

The difference in black turnout would be negligible.

This.

The black vote in the primaries, with the exception of 2008 for obvious reasons, tends to go for the establishment candidate. Partially due to the influence of black church leaders. Black people didn't reject Bernie because they didn't like him. 

[KoiBean]

The DNC would ensure that the ground game that was carried out on Election Day would be executed no matter who the nominee is. Even if they didn't like Sanders, the downballot races are  too important to give up.

The difference in black turnout would be negligible.

This.

The black vote in the primaries, with the exception of 2008 for obvious reasons, tends to go for the establishment candidate. Partially due to the influence of black church leaders. Black people didn't reject Bernie because they didn't like him. 

Even in the primaries of 2008, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama. There were questions about him being not "black enough" and the viability of a black family being elected to the White House. Bernie clearly fared worse than Obama in terms of perceived empathy with blacks and viability for the general election.

That being said, these issues really go out the window in the general. The turnout cry is as simple as holding onto the racial progress made, and do everything they can to stop Trump. The difference wouldn't be a significant change from Hillary's black turnout.

[Shadows]

A few notes on Bernie's support from the black community:

1) A lot of the disparity was on the basis of age. Bernie performed significantly better among younger black voters, and (don't quote me on this) I believe he outright won the black millennial vote in a number of states.
2) As time progressed, in non-Southern states, Bernie performed well with blacks in general. I'm pretty sure he won the city of Oakland, CA. Had it been earlier in the primary calendar, he wouldn't have performed the same.
3) For better or for worse (I don't like it since while I don't care for Dean, I agree a 50 state strategy is important; but they did have reason to do so), Bernie's team made the concerted decision to punt Southern states. His campaign was only part time through Nevada, but after that he shifted to taking his leave from the Senate, and doing rallies every day.

They put a lot of time, money, and effort into South Carolina, but lost it handily. Between the SC primary and Super Tuesday, Weaver and Devine decided to abandon the delegate strategy, and pursue a strategy of winning states (the exception being 3/15, when they fought for all five states and lost, instead of focussing on MO/IL, which were both winnable, and OH, which he would have lost, but could have closed the margin some in). As such, they only campaigned minimally in the South. This means two things:

1) Bernie's true ceiling in the South during the primaries was probably slightly higher than the numbers he put up (higher the later on the primaries went, until he reached near 100% name recognition within the electorate by late March/early April, when he peaked).

2) There might have been lingering resentment among voters in those states Bernie did not visit in the general, since he ignored them during the primaries. Then again, much of the South isn't in play (though Bernie would perform worse in NC/VA, and because of the combination of the DC insiders living in VA and the higher black population, he could potentially lose VA, but unlike true Deep South states, Bernie did visit both NC/VA during the primaries, and didn't abandon them completely).

Bottom line: I think the black vote would have turned out where it was needed, but GA/NC would be less competitive, and he could potentially lose VA.

Trump won independents handily. Even if Bernie has a shade less black turnout in VA, he would have a much higher millennial turnout, is likely to be a lot better among independents if pre-DNC convention polls hold & he would also take more votes out of Stein & Johnson. The combination of all these could possibly make up for any small fall in black-turnout in VA or even given him a better margin.

Clinton had horrible favorables, FBI Investigation, huge trust & honestly issues & scandal after scandal.

NC was another state where Bernie did better than expected in the primary with 5 states going to vote in 1 day in a high minority Dem primary. He won the white vote, so he would be fine - Trump won anyways & at best he could put 1-2% more in there!

Anyways these are all hypothetical based on assumptions. No1 truly knows what would have happened.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

The DNC would ensure that the ground game that was carried out on Election Day would be executed no matter who the nominee is. Even if they didn't like Sanders, the downballot races are  too important to give up.

The difference in black turnout would be negligible.

This.

The black vote in the primaries, with the exception of 2008 for obvious reasons, tends to go for the establishment candidate. Partially due to the influence of black church leaders. Black people didn't reject Bernie because they didn't like him. 

Even in the primaries of 2008, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama. There were questions about him being not "black enough" and the viability of a black family being elected to the White House.

no…?

[bagelman]

The DNC would ensure that the ground game that was carried out on Election Day would be executed no matter who the nominee is. Even if they didn't like Sanders, the downballot races are  too important to give up.

The difference in black turnout would be negligible.

This.

The black vote in the primaries, with the exception of 2008 for obvious reasons, tends to go for the establishment candidate. Partially due to the influence of black church leaders. Black people didn't reject Bernie because they didn't like him. 

Even in the primaries of 2008, most blacks supported Hillary over Obama. There were questions about him being not "black enough" and the viability of a black family being elected to the White House.

no…?

Yes....before the primaries actually started.

[justfollowingtheelections]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

[Shadows]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

Do you really believe that? That all depression of turnout is due to voter supression?

[justfollowingtheelections]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

After the news that Donna Brazile had given Hillary Clinton the debate question about Flint in advance of the dbate, a Michigan tv station interviewed the woman that asked that question and she said she felt betrayed.  But you can believe whatever you want.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

After the news that Donna Brazile had given Hillary Clinton the debate question about Flint in advance of the dbate, a Michigan tv station interviewed the woman that asked that question and she said she felt betrayed.  But you can believe whatever you want.

yeah you know i don't think i'm gonna take one person's statement as representative of all black people, thanks

[White Trash]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

After the news that Donna Brazile had given Hillary Clinton the debate question about Flint in advance of the dbate, a Michigan tv station interviewed the woman that asked that question and she said she felt betrayed.  But you can believe whatever you want.

yeah you know i don't think i'm gonna take one person's statement as representative of all black people, thanks

Do we have documentation of voter suppression being the reason Black folks didn't vote?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

After the news that Donna Brazile had given Hillary Clinton the debate question about Flint in advance of the dbate, a Michigan tv station interviewed the woman that asked that question and she said she felt betrayed.  But you can believe whatever you want.

yeah you know i don't think i'm gonna take one person's statement as representative of all black people, thanks

Do we have documentation of voter suppression being the reason Black folks didn't vote?

e.g. https://thinkprogress.org/amp/p/258b5f90ddcd

[justfollowingtheelections]

Bernie would have done better with African Americans than Hillary.  He had done better than her with the young African American vote in non-Southern states.  There's no way African American turn out would have been so low in the general election if the Democrats had a better general election candidate than Hillary.
Jim Clyburn and all those establishment Democrats don't have that much influence on African American voters.

african-american turnout wasn't low because of lack of enthusiasm, it was low because of republican voter suppression schemes, about which sanders could have done nothing.

After the news that Donna Brazile had given Hillary Clinton the debate question about Flint in advance of the dbate, a Michigan tv station interviewed the woman that asked that question and she said she felt betrayed.  But you can believe whatever you want.

yeah you know i don't think i'm gonna take one person's statement as representative of all black people, thanks

You're welcome.  By the way, since you don't seem to know much about U.S. politics I should let you know that voter suppression existed in 2008 and 2012 as well.  But for some reason you seem to think it was only a factor in this election and that Clinton being the candidate had nothing to do with low turn out.  I rest my case.