What's the first sign that the Democrats/Hillary would lose the white house IYO?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

For me, it was when Bernie won the upset victory over Hillary in the Michigan primary with it all culminating in the Comey letter.

[Xing]

I think the number that should've gotten more attention than Obama's approval rating or Trump's "popularity" (lol) rating were the tracking polls showing how many people thought we were on the right track. People consistently thought we were on the wrong track by about a 2-to-1 margin, and that suggested that people were clearly not happy with the way things were and wanted "change". That in turn suggested that Hillary Clinton being the "status quo" candidate was practically a death sentence. Of course, hindsight is 2020, but it should've been more evident that people were angry and frustrated, and many were going to vote for the candidate that they thought would "shake things up".

[Mister Mets]

The pneumonia thing looked pretty bad. Part of it is that I had read some predictions about how Clinton would lose to Trump following a health crisis. The brief coverup also hinted at serious dysfunction.

Another sign that was bad towards the end was when there were polls showing Trump narrowly behind, which had some shades of brexit with the people analyzing the results clearly preferring and referencing one outcome.

[mencken]

It was the 2014 midterms for me.

Trump's repeated missteps made me backtrack, but I had thought since the midterms that Hillary was disfavored to win.

[Pericles]

I voted for the emails, but the cracks were showing even before that. I'd say her Hard Choices boo tour, where she was clearly rusty as a candidate, with the "dead broke" gaffe and all. The tour was not all that successful and showed both that she was a flawed candidate and that enthusiasm for her was not very strong. It set in motion doubts about her candidacy. The sales were less than for her previous memoir and what was expected. In hindsight, it is a reflection of how a flawed candidate expected to win because of inevitability but ultimately failed to get enough actual support from voters to win.

[White Trash]

The worst possible candidate for 2016 winning the Democratic nomination.

[krazen1211]

The war on whites began years ago.

[justfollowingtheelections]

For me, it was when Bernie won the upset victory over Hillary in the Michigan primary with it all culminating in the Comey letter.

Clinton winning the nomination.  I still can't believe those pathetic party officials nominated her and did everything they could to stop Bernie who would have destroyed Trump.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The 2014 midterms. The Democrats didn't learn a damn thing from them, and the Democrats did worse than they polled.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Wikileaks Podesta leaks

[Pericles]

The war on whites began years ago.

Is that as real as the War on Women?

[OSR stands with Israel]

After the 2014 midterms till around January of this year I thought the dems were toast, then trump actually winning made me favor the dems again.

[jamestroll]

Well I was always thinking she would win the popular vote, but I was having seriously doubts of her margin and I was worrying about the electoral college.

The appeal to white working class midwesterners was absolutely real, and I never really brought into the shy Clinton voter thing that some suggested.

But when the ObamaCare premiums began to skyrocket, that is pretty much when I was fairly sure Trump would win in a lot of rust belt states.

[Thunderbird is the word]

I thought she was an awful candidate for the longest time and was disturbed by how quick Democrats seemed to be to want to clear the field for her. "America is already great," was a truly awful message.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I thought she was an awful candidate for the longest time and was disturbed by how quick Democrats seemed to be to want to clear the field for her. "America is already great," was a truly awful message.

Yeah, I'd have more respect for the Democratic party if the establishment hadn't been over 90% for such a terrible candidate.

[Lincoln Republican]

Not the determining factor certainly, but one of the turning points in the campaign, I believe, was Clinton's ill conceived "Basket of Deplorables" speech.

[Kytax]

"Look, I like Bernie and all, but despite his average 10 point lead over Trump in the General Election polls, having 89% approval rating, and holding his own against the whole Democratic Party and a rigged primary, he's totally undetectable. Instead, let's go with Hillary, who is sometimes losing to Trump in the polls, could be arrested at any moment, and has high unfavorable ratings; she's the pragmatic choice."

Pretty much this mentality.

[Pericles]

Not the determining factor certainly, but one of the turning points in the campaign, I believe, was Clinton's ill conceived "Basket of Deplorables" speech.

[NOVA Green]

I consistently referenced polls showing Trump beating Clinton on the question of who was best able to handle the economy as a major warning signal.

It is important to note, that Trump was still leading on this question even when Clinton was at some of her peak polling in late August.

[skoods]

The 2004 election. Thats when I realized for the first time in my life that Americans don't vote for what's best for our country. All they care about is what's best for them. Especially white people.

RIP America - 1776-2017