Did third party candidates cost Clinton the election? A thought experiment
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DC Al Fine
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« on: November 11, 2016, 07:47:16 AM »

There's been some claims that third party candidates cost Clinton the election. Let's take a look at these claims. The top six vote getters per Wikipedia were:

Clinton: 47.56%
Trump: 47.27%
Johnson: 3.22%
Stein: 0.96%
McMullin: 0.36%
Castle: 0.14%

If we pretend America had some version of IRV, I'll eliminate the bottom three candidates. For simplicity's sake, I will assume McMullin and Castle will go 100% Trump, and Stein will go 100% Clinton. The redistributed results are:

Clinton: 48.52%
Trump: 47.77%
Johnson: 3.22%

Using some basic algebra, Clinton's break-even point in among Johnson supporters is about 62-38 assuming all votes are redistributed. Similarly, the CNN article I linked to describes hypothetical where Clinton wins 50% of Johnson voters.

The problem is that historically strong Libertarian results have typically come from Republicans who dislike their controversial candidate. This describes Johnson and Trump to a T. Although there is no polling of Johnson supporters that I am aware of, the historical evidence suggests that he is more of a Republican Nader than a Ross Perot. If anything, his presence in the race helped Hillary Clinton by providing an outlet for Republicans not to vote for Trump.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 11:43:19 AM »

Yeah. If anything gary Johnson protected the one talking point dems have (re: narrow popular vote win)
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 11:52:41 AM »

Exit polls had roughly 65% of third party voters as independents, 20% as Republicans, and 15% as Democrats. That doesn't look like a group that would go as overwhelmingly for Clinton as the article postulates. Their "half of Johnson's supporters and all of Stein's supporters" hypothetical is absolutely absurd. I guess they're assuming that the other half of Johnson supporters just disappear and none go to Trump? Needing to make such bizarre hypotheticals to get your math to work is a good indication that there was no spoiler effect this year. Trump wins even if third parties were outlawed.

I think if Johnson's support would split roughly 33/33/33 to Clinton/Trump/(not voting or voting for another third party) if he wasn't in the race. I'm pretty sure I'd be in the third camp, and I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 12:40:35 PM »

Stein voters prefer Trump.
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