Do people who are unable to work deserve their basic needs?
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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2005, 01:45:06 PM »

If they are unable to work, yes, absolutely.  I am horrified that there are people out there who think otherwise.  I figured that was something we could at least come to a consensus on as a nation.
Please.  No one "deserves" anything.  It is an evil concept to encourage laziness in general.  Of course, charity is a noble principle and I do not oppose it.

People that think they somehow deserve cash from the rest of society needs to re-evaluate their life and purpose of it.  It is very wrong to steal from someone that has to give to someone that doesn't.

Charity must come from the heart.
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« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2005, 01:47:09 PM »

Unable to work, yes.  Unwilling to work, no.  BTW SSI pays out a lot more than $600, esspecially if you combine with any large number of other programs that are out there, like, for instance, Access Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2005, 01:48:40 PM »

If they are unable to work, yes, absolutely.  I am horrified that there are people out there who think otherwise.  I figured that was something we could at least come to a consensus on as a nation.
Please.  No one "deserves" anything.  It is an evil concept to encourage laziness in general.  Of course, charity is a noble principle and I do not oppose it.

People that think they somehow deserve cash from the rest of society needs to re-evaluate their life and purpose of it.  It is very wrong to steal from someone that has to give to someone that doesn't.

Charity must come from the heart.

Good job quoting a word that Don didn't use.  Anyway, there is such a thing as basic human dignity and I believe that we are all charged with upholding it, when others cannot do so for themselves.
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« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2005, 01:51:04 PM »

He answered yes to the question, which uses the word "deserve." The only rational inference is that he thinks such people deserve their basic needs.
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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2005, 02:20:50 PM »

Certainly I would be willing to pay as much as I pay not for healthcare, plus a small premium to insure those people who are not insured now.
Dude, do you really think if you pay more than 10%, and there are 40 million people in the United States that don't have coverage out of a population of 300 million, plus a few million that have less coverage than you have now, that it is going to cost you "a small premium" to cover them?

Every study I have seen suggests that a single-payer system would cost less overall than our current system.   Most of the objections I've heard are skeptical about how much the savings would be or about the quality of care, but I don't think I've heard a serious argument that single-payer would actually be more expensive.
Canada.

What are you trying to say?  Canada's system is substantially cheaper than our's.  Again, I am receptive to the arguments about quality, but it is uncontrovertibly less expensive.
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« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2005, 02:36:08 PM »

He answered yes to the question, which uses the word "deserve." The only rational inference is that he thinks such people deserve their basic needs.

Pretty sad that you have such a over-attention to detail that you focus in so heavily on one word of a question, while ignoring the spirit of the question.
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« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2005, 06:05:56 PM »

If Roe v Wade is overturned and a woman is raped and forced to have a baby even if she is physicaly unable to work she should get no help?

Would you be willing to open your wallet and help her with your own money?
That was not the question.
It is the question now.  I'd like you to answer it.  I'll answer your question with a resounding NO.  Not from the government.  There are plenty of charities around.
Typical. try to change the subject.
I give around 25% of my income to several charities what about you???
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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2005, 07:46:41 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2005, 08:10:38 PM by David S »

If Roe v Wade is overturned and a woman is raped and forced to have a baby even if she is physicaly unable to work she should get no help?

Would you be willing to open your wallet and help her with your own money?
That was not the question.
It is the question now.  I'd like you to answer it.  I'll answer your question with a resounding NO.  Not from the government.  There are plenty of charities around.
Typical. try to change the subject.
I give around 25% of my income to several charities what about you???

25% is very good if its true. My hat's off to you. If everyone was as generous as you are that would amount to about $2 trillion per year which is far more then is spent on federal government social programs. So why do you need the government's involvement?

BTW if you deduct your contributions from your income tax you should keep all your receipts. I think the 25% figure will trigger an automatic IRS audit.
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« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2005, 10:40:36 PM »

My husband clears over 100k a year so everything i make is extra.
And i do try to practice what i preach.
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2005, 03:31:31 AM »

Arrgh.  Why is it that liberals get to make all the money. Smiley

My husband clears over 100k a year so everything i make is extra.
And i do try to practice what i preach.
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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2005, 05:22:43 AM »

It depends on your definition of deserve. I definitely think they should, but not entirely from that persperctive.
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« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2005, 08:51:29 AM »

Yes, definitely.
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