Congratulations, Alan Lichtman.
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 19, 2024, 05:04:43 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  Congratulations, Alan Lichtman.
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: Congratulations, Alan Lichtman.  (Read 844 times)
Beet
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,077


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: November 09, 2016, 06:45:11 AM »

A seemingly random list of 13 arbitrary criteria he came up with decades ago has outperformed all scientific polling.
Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,961


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 06:51:38 AM »

Still a total LOL when you apply it to the 1856 election.
Logged
muon2
Moderators
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 07:17:14 AM »

Except that his system is designed to predict the popular vote winner, and right now Clinton is winning the PV.
Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,961


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 07:24:33 AM »

Except that his system is designed to predict the popular vote winner, and right now Clinton is winning the PV.

Oh right, I forgot about that. He had Gore in 2000, and used it as a save. He can't have it both ways. And I think his system only gives like 4 keys for the incumbent Democrats in 1856.
Logged
BlueSwan
blueswan
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,553
Denmark


Political Matrix
E: -4.26, S: -7.30

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 07:29:53 AM »

Except that his system is designed to predict the popular vote winner, and right now Clinton is winning the PV.

Oh right, I forgot about that. He had Gore in 2000, and used it as a save. He can't have it both ways. And I think his system only gives like 4 keys for the incumbent Democrats in 1856.
I'm sure he will find a way to somehow have it both ways, so that in 2020 he will again be called the "never-wrong" pundit.
Logged
rafta_rafta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 926


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 07:31:20 AM »

Meh. It's an arbitrary set of criteria which happened to be a right  predictor.
Logged
SWE
SomebodyWhoExists
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,427
United States


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 07:11:39 PM »

His Trump prediction was based on the assumption that Johnson would poll more than 5%, which didn't happen. (Of course this also haw to take into account that he arbitrarily redefined the primary challenge key because he was uncomfortable with calling it for Trump)
Logged
Nym90
nym90
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,260
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.55, S: -2.96

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 09:42:04 PM »

Except that his system is designed to predict the popular vote winner, and right now Clinton is winning the PV.

Yes, but since Johnson got under 5 percent of the vote, the third party key flips back to the Dems so he did predict a Clinton win.
Logged
TheElectoralBoobyPrize
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,544


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 10:20:03 PM »

His Trump prediction was based on the assumption that Johnson would poll more than 5%, which didn't happen. (Of course this also haw to take into account that he arbitrarily redefined the primary challenge key because he was uncomfortable with calling it for Trump)

And I still don't get this....he says in the book that the nominee has to have 2/3's of the delegates on the first ballot. Clinton didn't. She was close, but Carter in '80 was closer, and he still lost the key.

Interpreting the key according to his standards results in six negative keys for the Democrats.
Logged
SteveRogers
duncan298
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,222


Political Matrix
E: -3.87, S: -5.04

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 10:24:17 PM »

Except that his system is designed to predict the popular vote winner, and right now Clinton is winning the PV.

Yes, but since Johnson got under 5 percent of the vote, the third party key flips back to the Dems so he did predict a Clinton win.

Well, no, he didn't "predict" a Clinton win because you can't predict something that's already happened. It's ridiculous to call Lichtman's test a predictive tool if at least one of the keys can never be determined until after the election.
Logged
Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,053
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 12:05:37 AM »

His Trump prediction was based on the assumption that Johnson would poll more than 5%, which didn't happen. (Of course this also haw to take into account that he arbitrarily redefined the primary challenge key because he was uncomfortable with calling it for Trump)
Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,961


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 12:23:23 AM »

His Trump prediction was based on the assumption that Johnson would poll more than 5%, which didn't happen. (Of course this also haw to take into account that he arbitrarily redefined the primary challenge key because he was uncomfortable with calling it for Trump)


Sooner or later his luck is going to run out, whether just barely or epic fail like it would applied to 1856.
Logged
Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook
The Obamanation
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,857
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 04:13:51 PM »

His methods were wrong but the keys still applied.
Logged
Meclazine for Israel
Meclazine
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,275
Australia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2016, 04:21:38 PM »

You have to give him credit.

He predicted a Trump win and one of the factors was the satisfaction of the performance of the incumbent.

I am paying him for the right choice on this occasion. No on predicted Trump.

Hillary only lost by 107,000 votes.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.229 seconds with 13 queries.