Trump seeking to sabotage Iran Nuclear Deal

[JA]

Trump seeking war with Iran

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Trump Assigns White House Team to Target Iran Nuclear Deal, Sidelining State Department - Foreign Policy

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Trump Seeks Way to Declare Iran in Violation of Nuclear Deal - NYT

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WSJ Interview: Trump on Taxes, Apple, Iran and Jeff Sessions - WSJ

[The Govanah Jake]

The neocons have finally gotten him I guess. The Iranian nuclear deal decision for trump is not surprising because he opposed it but war. Anyway the political ramifications for Trump or the party of war happens is not good.

[TheSaint250]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

[Higgins]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

I trust Trump even less.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

I trust Trump even less.

Lol.

[maga2020]

Iran deal should have never been done anyway, how do you sit in the table with an openly hostile country that has no diplomatic relations with you?

Typical Obama-Hillary stupid foreign policy.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It doesn't matter what delusions are going through Trump's (or the neocons) heads. Unless Iran is caught red-handed with a covert program in violation, it WILL be about the US. No other P5+1 member, with the possible exception of May in Britain, is going to get on board with something like this. The IAEA is responsible for determining compliance, and it reports to the Security Council, which  will veto anything that might possibly be construed as giving the US authorization for military strikes. Which will make Trump, if he actually attacks, exactly what he's long publicly said he aspires to be: a war criminal.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

It doesn't matter what delusions are going through Trump's (or the neocons) heads. Unless Iran is caught red-handed with a covert program in violation, it WILL be about the US. No other P5+1 member, with the possible exception of May in Britain, is going to get on board with something like this. The IAEA is responsible for determining compliance, and it reports to the Security Council, which  will veto anything that might possibly be construed as giving the US authorization for military strikes. Which will make Trump, if he actually attacks, exactly what he's long publicly said he aspires to be: a war criminal.

Trump doesn't care one bit about international law. He'll do anything to make his rich buddies even richer, and invading a country would bring his approval rating up while solidifying his base.

[SoLongAtlas]

The Iran deal was a step in the right direction but Iran is still shady about its nuclear practices and won't agree to a permanent stand down in the nuclear arena, it is still launching more missiles in violation. The deal was essentially a stopgap measure.

I don't want war but breaking the deal is a faster route to get there, the neocons essentially are planning that it fails so we can hit their sites/regime change (which is 1000 times harder with Iran than with Iraq). If we do rc in Iran, there are no more moderates and most of the previous moderates line up with the hardliners to defend Iran.

[TheSaint250]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

Maybe America shouldn't of overthrew it's Democratically elected government then

...ok?

[ProudModerate2]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

I trust Trump even less.

Yep.

[KingSweden]

The Iran deal was a step in the right direction but Iran is still shady about its nuclear practices and won't agree to a permanent stand down in the nuclear arena, it is still launching more missiles in violation. The deal was essentially a stopgap measure.

I don't want war but breaking the deal is a faster route to get there, the neocons essentially are planning that it fails so we can hit their sites/regime change (which is 1000 times harder with Iran than with Iraq). If we do rc in Iran, there are no more moderates and most of the previous moderates line up with the hardliners to defend Iran.

Honestly, stepped up sanctions explicitly over missile launches is probably smarter than tampering with the nuclear side

[ProudModerate2]

Iran deal should have never been done anyway, how do you sit in the table with an openly hostile country that has no diplomatic relations with you?

Typical Obama-Hillary stupid foreign policy.

What the Orange Clown and many Pubs don't want you to know is that this was not just a US and Iran deal. This was an international agreement with all the major players on the planet agreeing to it. The parties involved were : the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany and the European Union.
So don't blame "Obama-Hillary." The deal is what ALL PARTIES agreed to.

[Shadows]

Iran deal should have never been done anyway, how do you sit in the table with an openly hostile country that has no diplomatic relations with you?

Typical Obama-Hillary stupid foreign policy.

Pretty stupid post. You sit across tables with hostile nations so that there is no open war which can blow up to a World War. Iran has a huge population & The Iran Deal has killed any chances of Iran acquiring a Nuclear weapon.

It was wonderfully done & anyone who says otherwise is a flat out retard !

[Shadows]

The Iran deal was a step in the right direction but Iran is still shady about its nuclear practices and won't agree to a permanent stand down in the nuclear arena, it is still launching more missiles in violation. The deal was essentially a stopgap measure.

I don't want war but breaking the deal is a faster route to get there, the neocons essentially are planning that it fails so we can hit their sites/regime change (which is 1000 times harder with Iran than with Iraq). If we do rc in Iran, there are no more moderates and most of the previous moderates line up with the hardliners to defend Iran.

Fake News & falsehoods. US, UN & all international agencies have said Iran is fully complying with the Nuclear Dear. The deal is about not having Nuclear weapons. Ofcourse Iran will have ballistic missiles, their army won't stop testing non-nuclear missiles & be at the mercy of a hostile nation like Saudi or US which promotes regime change in Iran.

That would be insanely dumb !

[Mr. Reactionary]

It was wonderfully done & anyone who says otherwise is a flat out retard !

Are you 13?

[Old Man Willow]

Donald Trump (R-Israel).

[Anna Komnene]

This topic makes me too emotional to comment much but basically there are lots of people in Iran who have been scraping and clawing for even the smallest progress to try to make their country better, and this would destroy everything they've worked so hard for. It would be a massive tragedy.

[Santander]

Pretty stupid post. You sit across tables with hostile nations so that there is no open war which can blow up to a World War. Iran has a huge population & The Iran Deal has killed any chances of Iran acquiring a Nuclear weapon.

Wow, I didn't know a piece of paper could kill any chances of a country acquiring nuclear weapons. Maybe we should try signing a statement abolishing world hunger and see what happens?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

As long as the Ayatollahs are in charge, notification of the deal being broken will eventually be made via a nuclear missile aimed at Tel Aviv, followed by a few dozen aimed at Tehran. If this outcome can be prevented, it seems like a good idea.

[publicunofficial]

Iran is going to violate it own way or another, but obviously we shouldn't make up facts, so when he claims it is violating it, then he should bring the facts.

I don't trust Iran

Just continue trusting Israel and Saudi Arabia though! They'll never steer us wrong!

[JA]

This topic makes me too emotional to comment much but basically there are lots of people in Iran who have been scraping and clawing for even the smallest progress to try to make their country better, and this would destroy everything they've worked so hard for. It would be a massive tragedy.

I assume you have a personal connection to Iran?

This issue deeply troubles me (from an anti-war and humanitarian perspective, not one of personal attachment to Iran), hence why I made a thread about it. I also made one about what the American led coalition has been doing in al-Raqqa as well, which has likely violated international laws. The notion of America engaging in any military offensive against Iran is completely abhorrent to me, considering they pose absolutely no threat to us, millions would likely die, the country completely destroyed, and the region would almost certainly erupt in unprecedented chaos for decades to come. All for what? The claim that it's because Iran is developing nuclear weapons is an obvious lie. So, it's simply due to politics and all politics is money. Wealthy interests have an invested interest in destroying Iran, the lives of millions be damned. And countless Americans, including some on this forum, are dumb and/or sadistic enough to cheer it on.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

As long as the Ayatollahs are in charge, notification of the deal being broken will eventually be made via a nuclear missile aimed at Tel Aviv, followed by a few dozen aimed at Tehran. If this outcome can be prevented, it seems like a good idea.

The Ayatollahs and the cronies of the clerical regime are utter trash. But they must be treated carefully.
I for one think the young people of Iran are much better than the government that rules over them. They voted heavily for Rouhani. The best thing to do right now is make sure the young generation isn't anti-United States. This is why the nuclear deal is valuable. It puts Iran on some sort of leash.
The best thing for the Ayotallahs would be an excuse for America to be cast as some sort of big massive enemy - they could get a new lifeline by casting themselves as defenders of Iran and its people while they just leach of it and its resources. We need to avoid alienating the people of Iran while being firm on Iranian meddling abroad.

[Anna Komnene]

This topic makes me too emotional to comment much but basically there are lots of people in Iran who have been scraping and clawing for even the smallest progress to try to make their country better, and this would destroy everything they've worked so hard for. It would be a massive tragedy.

I assume you have a personal connection to Iran?

This issue deeply troubles me (from an anti-war and humanitarian perspective, not one of personal attachment to Iran), hence why I made a thread about it. I also made one about what the American led coalition has been doing in al-Raqqa as well, which has likely violated international laws. The notion of America engaging in any military offensive against Iran is completely abhorrent to me, considering they pose absolutely no threat to us, millions would likely die, the country completely destroyed, and the region would almost certainly erupt in unprecedented chaos for decades to come. All for what? The claim that it's because Iran is developing nuclear weapons is an obvious lie. So, it's simply due to politics and all politics is money. Wealthy interests have an invested interest in destroying Iran, the lives of millions be damned. And countless Americans, including some on this forum, are dumb and/or sadistic enough to cheer it on.

Yes, I have some Iranian blood in my veins. I spent 3 years in grad school studying social movements and feminism in Iran. I have Iranian friends. I get kookoo sabzi every Friday at a local cafe run by the nicest people ever.

Like TimTurner said, it can't be overstated how catastrophic a possible American military presence in Iran would be for the green path of hope. I worry that even this posturing will be enough to swing the electorate back to people like Ahmadinejad (or worse). This would basically be the best way to ensure that the conservatives stay in power, and it would give them more excuses than they already have to oppress the people who are trying to oppose them.

[Coraxion]

Donald Trump (R-Israel).

This.

America First*

^{*except Israel}

Anyway, we definitely do not need a war with Iran. It's a much larger country than, say, Iraq and has a far more competent government than they did. But I suppose Trump will do anything for Almighty Israel.