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« on: October 16, 2016, 03:25:36 PM »
« edited: October 16, 2016, 03:27:32 PM by Green Line »

Right now it doesn't look like the polls have budged more than a point or 2 despite Donald's disgusting comments.  The supposed big crush of Republican unendorsements that were coming never materialized either.  Was last weekend an overreaction?  It's beginning to look that way.

The Senate polls have actually gotten better this week.  Maybe it will start to set in during the upcoming polls though, who knows.  Right now the landslide that many were predicting doesn't seem to be true.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 03:27:06 PM »

if that's the case than hillary has crushed trump in the first debate, killed all his momentum from august 10th to the end of september and consolidated herself enough to win.

but i would argue that would be - just like your proposition - too simple and just scratching the surface.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 03:29:09 PM »

if that's the case than hillary has crushed trump in the first debate, killed all his momentum from august 10th to the end of september and consolidated herself enough to win.

but i would argue that would be - just like your proposition - too simple and just scratching the surface.

What r u talking about
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2016, 03:32:21 PM »

if that's the case than hillary has crushed trump in the first debate, killed all his momentum from august 10th to the end of september and consolidated herself enough to win.

but i would argue that would be - just like your proposition - too simple and just scratching the surface.

What r u talking about

What are you talking about? She generally is in as good as shape as she has ever been in. Something had to go right. I am guessing this late in the game, things turned around on 9/22 when the tax leak happened. At that point,  it was probably Clinton +1. Then, when the debates happened, it was a 3 or 4 point race and then the tape leaked and the second debate happened at it is now a +6 or +7 race.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2016, 03:32:57 PM »

We're reaching the point where very little can move the needle any more, because views are so entrenched.

The only thing that might change is the undecideds might start making up their minds, but that's unlikely to happen until the last week. If any major swings happen, they'll happen then. I would imagine.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 03:34:43 PM »


simple:

at the beginning of august, after the conventions, hillary crushed trump...voters haven't really paid attention then.

then trump climbed back, scratching a tie, being in good shape till about the time of the first debate.....which was his high-water-mark and from that place it went all down-hill....again and again and again...

now, with the public paying attention, likely voters instead of registered ones, etc, we again got early august poll numbers, with much less undecided voters and a much higher moralization for democrats than before.

if we follow your point, that the tapes changed nothing...it must have been hillary's superior debating style.

either trump was doomed from the start...(like i sometimes argued hillary was) or....there is more to these things than it seems.

i guess the trump tape has consolidated both bases but moralized the democrats, split the women vote and made any comeback for trump muuuch harder than before.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2016, 03:35:26 PM »

Is water wet ?
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2016, 03:36:55 PM »

They certainly did. All the polls, except for the fraudulent LA Times mess, have Clinton up from 4 to 14 points. Before that, Clinton was up anywhere from 2 to 8 points
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2016, 03:43:34 PM »
« Edited: October 17, 2016, 02:33:38 AM by Meclazine »

Everything in combination.

The fact is Trump needed to improve with women and latino voters before October to take the lead given his momentum in September.

In October, his chances of winning have dropped from 41% to 14%.

Ohio and Florida have changed back to Hillary and Donald would be lucky to get to 200 if an election was held this weekend.

It has had an effect.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 03:50:59 PM »

It's hard to say...Hillary was already starting to regain some ground even before the first debate and after the debate, her lead only continued to grow (at an accelerated rate). Now, she's starting to reach her high-water mark so it is somewhat expected that her growth in the polls will start to slow no matter what Trump does or says.

As much as I would like a landslide, I believe the country is far too polarized for there to be a result along the lines of FDR (all four times), LBJ in 1964, Nixon in 1972, Reagan in 1980/1984, or Bush in 1988. I think the big test of whether or not the tapes made any changes will be if the numbers start to reverse course. My feeling is that the tapes were so shocking (not necessarily that Trump said them, but that someone so close to the presidency said them) that Hillary's numbers will remain somewhat stable (close to her high in the polls) for the next few weeks going into Election Day.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2016, 03:51:38 PM »

I think Trump is pretty close to the Republican floor - there's only so much worse he can do. But I think a lot of women are pretty permanently turned off to him.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2016, 03:53:49 PM »

It locked in the electorate in a way that makes a Trump win basically impossible.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2016, 04:25:59 PM »

It locked in the electorate in a way that makes a Trump win basically impossible.

Perhaps this.

The tapes certainly stalled Trump's inroads in MI and PA, states he had to have to win, and reversed him in NV, where he actually had a tenuous lead.

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2016, 04:30:35 PM »

somehow this summarizes the election perfectly:

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2016, 04:35:25 PM »

Right now it doesn't look like the polls have budged more than a point or 2 despite Donald's disgusting comments.  The supposed big crush of Republican unendorsements that were coming never materialized either.  Was last weekend an overreaction?  It's beginning to look that way.

The Senate polls have actually gotten better this week.  Maybe it will start to set in during the upcoming polls though, who knows.  Right now the landslide that many were predicting doesn't seem to be true.

Trump prevented the free fall by stabilizing his base during the last debate, but I think the tapes and the dozen women who have come forward to confirm Trump's behavior have essentially locked in the gains Clinton made after the first debate. Especially among women. 

Also, the odds of a Democratic Senate have actually gone up on 538 since the tape was released.
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2016, 04:36:08 PM »

Right now it doesn't look like the polls have budged more than a point or 2 despite Donald's disgusting comments.  The supposed big crush of Republican unendorsements that were coming never materialized either.  Was last weekend an overreaction?  It's beginning to look that way.

The Senate polls have actually gotten better this week.  Maybe it will start to set in during the upcoming polls though, who knows.  Right now the landslide that many were predicting doesn't seem to be true.
more proof that at least half of Trump's supporters are deplorable
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2016, 05:55:17 PM »


Did the tapes change anything? Hopefully more people fell off the Trump train after that last straw. Hopefully the majority of people in the country can see him for what he really is.

Trump is no politician. He's just a con man trying to make a fast buck off the backs of everyone else on the planet.

Electing this joker to the WH would make us the laughing stock of the entire world.
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