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« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2016, 06:48:10 PM »


Dunno if you're serious or not, but I have seen this stated by others, and it's not true.  Dan Jones is actually the gold standard of Utah polling.  They are very reliable, solid methodology and great track record.  Anyone who doesn't take them seriously does so at their own peril.

They had Sanders winning the caucus by 8 and Cruz by 23. lol

It's much harder to poll a caucus than a democratic election.  Besides, the caucus result underscores the fact that Trump has serious vulnerabilities in the state.
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« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2016, 06:48:47 PM »

Here's how I'd write her concession speech should the unthinkable happen:

"I just called President-elect Trump to congratulate him on the Tumblr Left handing him the Presidency. Because they believed right-wing smears about Benghazi and emails, Bernie Sanders has won the nomination, and as we've seen in every election since 2010, Americans will gladly choose a racist over a socialist. I just hope our country and its minority citizens survive the next four years. Thanks for your support, and god help America!"
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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2016, 06:49:28 PM »

Here's how I'd write her concession speech should the unthinkable happen:

"I just called President-elect Trump to congratulate him on the Tumblr Left handing him the Presidency. Because they believed right-wing smears about Benghazi and emails, Bernie Sanders has won the nomination, and as we've seen in every election since 2010, Americans will gladly choose a racist over a socialist. I just hope our country and its minority citizens survive the next four years. Thanks for your support, and god help America!"

You forgot to include a hateful remark about transfolk.  Up your game!
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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2016, 06:49:32 PM »


Dunno if you're serious or not, but I have seen this stated by others, and it's not true.  Dan Jones is actually the gold standard of Utah polling.  They are very reliable, solid methodology and great track record.  Anyone who doesn't take them seriously does so at their own peril.

They had Sanders winning the caucus by 8 and Cruz by 23. lol

It's much harder to poll a caucus than a democratic election.  Besides, the caucus result underscores the fact that Trump has serious vulnerabilities in the state.

Then they shouldn't even have bothered. I certainly wouldn't try to poll a caucus if I was a pollster. We've gotten tons of 20-50 point misses this year.
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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2016, 06:53:47 PM »

Then they shouldn't even have bothered. I certainly wouldn't try to poll a caucus if I was a pollster. We've gotten tons of 20-50 point misses this year.

I do encourage you to check out Dan Jones polls from 2008, 2012, even congressional races, if any of it is still in Leip's database.  Obviously their polling will be more meaningful closer to the election date after the primaries are concluded - but if I were Trump, I'd be seriously concerned.

I agree polling caucuses can be a frightful endeavor, with Utah Democrats the sample size of people actually attending the caucus could have presented some issues, but I can't speak to that - the poll was hideously wrong either way.  It's worth considering on the GOP side that shortly before the caucus, Mitt Romney made remarks to the effect of 'a vote for Kasich is a vote for Trump'.  The polling didn't necessarily get Trump's support incorrect, just the numbers for Cruz & Kasich.
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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2016, 07:59:05 PM »

"Early election polling is useless except when I refer to it" - everyone on Atlas Forum

You know why Obama established ground game in North Carolina and Indiana in 2008?  Because of polling from this time of year showing him competitive.  Yes, he also invested in North Dakota and Alaska - yes, that didn't end up working out.  Again, I can only hope that Trump shares your cavalier attitude towards this early polling.  But given how he refers to polls in every speech (except the ones that show him losing the general election), he probably has noticed.  We'll see.
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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2016, 08:42:52 PM »

The cautious attitude towards polling is always better. Hence, Trump should assume the bad polls for him are indicative of the general, and Trump opponents should assume they are not.
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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2016, 09:20:04 PM »

Here's how I'd write her concession speech should the unthinkable happen:

"I just called President-elect Trump to congratulate him on the Tumblr Left handing him the Presidency. Because they believed right-wing smears about Benghazi and emails, Bernie Sanders has won the nomination, and as we've seen in every election since 2010, Americans will gladly choose a racist over a socialist. I just hope our country and its minority citizens survive the next four years. Thanks for your support, and god help America!"

"And how could I have spent all that money, gone through all those silly debates and town hall meetings, held all those pesky babies, attended all those crazy rallies, and still manage to lose out on my coronation? Did I forget to mention that I'm a woman? You crazy American voters, you should be ashamed of yourselves. In any event, please send money to the Clinton Foundation so we can all move forward from this dreadful fiasco. Thank you again, and god help America."
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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2016, 10:01:13 PM »

^^ Mark my words: If Hillary loses the nomination or the general, she will portray the american people as sexist freaks when conceding.

" held all those pesky babies"

If I was a baby being held by Hillary, I'd freak out and bawl very loudly. Seriously, who wants to be held by a random old person in the middle of a diner? New Hampshire (or Iowa) is so odd.
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« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2016, 12:38:43 AM »

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Those are delegate apportions not percentages.

And this isn't a prediction. It's the road that Bernie has to travel to win the nomination.
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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2016, 01:19:53 AM »

This is probably a more realistic narrow Bernie win.

http://DemRace.com/?share=qzGk4vhX
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« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2016, 09:23:06 PM »


Bernie + 20 in California Huh
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« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2016, 09:26:17 PM »


Obviously California will vote the same way as jfern's locality and circle of friends.
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« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2016, 09:43:07 PM »

Clinton was very graceful and not vengeful at all in 2008. Why are berniebros suggesting otherwise? Maybe Sanders will even want her as Secretary of State xD
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« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2016, 09:57:32 PM »


Obviously California will vote the same way as jfern's locality and circle of friends.

I love that DC is the final state in this simulation.  Imagine if the politicians themselves, in their little enclave, get to break the tie between Hillary and Bernie?  Hmmm I wonder who they'd pick.
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« Reply #90 on: April 19, 2016, 09:41:17 PM »

Bump!

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« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2016, 01:34:59 PM »

This actually seems to be what Sanders is doing, Mr "Chicken Little" Beet. Wink
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