Opinion of Lyndon Baines Johnson

[Kingpoleon]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Horrible person, but one hell of a legislator. Voted both.

[RaphaelDLG]

As a person, abominable, if amusing.  Domestically, one of the greatest ever.  FP, abominable.  Voted both.

[NeverAgain]

Probably the biggest 'both' out there. If you haven't seen 'All The Way' watch it. Great movie.

[Miles]

HP.

[Maxwell]

One of the most complicated figures in American politics - about 60% HP, 35% FF, and 5% wtf. I think he did a lot of good for the country i.e. Medicare and Civil Rights, but at the same time had one of the most horrifying foreign policy blunders in U.S. history occur under his watch. I voted both.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

A freedom fighter (other than Vietnam ) who was an HP in person

[SATW]

I agree with everyone - very complicated figure.

Disagree strongly with his economic policy, but obviously civil rights were good. Vietnam was a quagmire, for obvious reasons.  I voted Both, but it tilts more in the HP direction.

Would have easily voted for Barry Goldwater in '64.

[Mr. Smith]

I agree with everyone - very complicated figure.

Agree strongly with his economic policy, but obviously civil rights were good. Vietnam was a quagmire, for obvious reasons.  I voted Both, but it tilts more in the FF direction.

Would have easily voted far and away against Barry Goldwater in '64.

[RaphaelDLG]

Barry Goldwater will kill us all!  Or so my TV set told me.

[dead0man]

Lefties that complain about chalk drawings love him, lefties that actually had something to complain about hate him.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Yuge HP.

[Sir Mohamed]

Massive FF.

[RINO Tom]

HP who deserves major props for the two good things he helped accomplish: CRA and VRA.

[Vosem]

FF for getting the Civil Rights Act and associated reforms through, and for not giving up on Vietnam. HP for some of his later domestic agenda, and seems like a massive HP on a personal level. Complicated, consequential figure, and I voted "both".

[IceSpear]

FF (likes civil rights and social welfare programs)

[IceSpear]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

Yeah, silly modern day liberals caring about those poors and darks!

The far more disturbing trend is liberals/leftists who identify as such solely based on being "muh anti war." Especially since foreign policy hardly fits on a left/right spectrum anyway, and thinking it does is a very recent phenomenon. Yeah, Vietnam was a disaster, but it's not like foreign policy disasters are uncommon for American presidents. He still did more good than bad from a left wing perspective.

[SATW]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

Yeah, silly modern day liberals caring about those poors and darks!

The far more disturbing trend is liberals/leftists who identify as such solely based on being "muh anti war." Especially since foreign policy hardly fits on a left/right spectrum anyway, and thinking it does is a very recent phenomenon. Yeah, Vietnam was a disaster, but it's not like foreign policy disasters are uncommon for American presidents. He still did more good than bad from a left wing perspective.

This is why I like you (and FF nice guy, of course)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

FF (likes civil rights and social welfare programs)

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

Yeah, silly modern day liberals caring about those poors and darks!

The far more disturbing trend is liberals/leftists who identify as such solely based on being "muh anti war." Especially since foreign policy hardly fits on a left/right spectrum anyway, and thinking it does is a very recent phenomenon. Yeah, Vietnam was a disaster, but it's not like foreign policy disasters are uncommon for American presidents. He still did more good than bad from a left wing perspective.

Yeah the reason one would find latter day veneration of LBJ creepy and ahistorical is because of that.

[RINO Tom]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

Yeah, silly modern day liberals caring about those poors and darks!

The far more disturbing trend is liberals/leftists who identify as such solely based on being "muh anti war." Especially since foreign policy hardly fits on a left/right spectrum anyway, and thinking it does is a very recent phenomenon. Yeah, Vietnam was a disaster, but it's not like foreign policy disasters are uncommon for American presidents. He still did more good than bad from a left wing perspective.

This is why I like you (and FF nice guy, of course)

I legitimately used to describe my foreign policy views as left-of-center for favoring an American presence in the world (both financially through foreign aid and militarily for "being the world police").

[SATW]

HP, and modern liberals' fascination with him is creepy and weird.

Yeah, silly modern day liberals caring about those poors and darks!

The far more disturbing trend is liberals/leftists who identify as such solely based on being "muh anti war." Especially since foreign policy hardly fits on a left/right spectrum anyway, and thinking it does is a very recent phenomenon. Yeah, Vietnam was a disaster, but it's not like foreign policy disasters are uncommon for American presidents. He still did more good than bad from a left wing perspective.

This is why I like you (and FF nice guy, of course)

I legitimately used to describe my foreign policy views as left-of-center for favoring an American presence in the world (both financially through foreign aid and militarily for "being the world police").

I take the same position, but I don't think it's left or right, hawkish or dove...it's just a sane position and the libertarians love harping me on it. Most of the time when I get attacked on foreign aid it almost always goes in a antisemitic or islamophobic direction.

"The Jews are manipulating the economy by taking foreign aid."
"The Moslems Are using our foreign aid to conquer teh worlds!!!!111"

Foreign Aid is great for building relations, having political leverage, and for building strong infrastructure.

[RINO Tom]

I agree, I do not think it's a left-right issue (similar to civil rights, sorry red avatars), I was just saying if anything it might even be a more liberal view than a conservative one.