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Old Man Willow
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« on: May 04, 2016, 09:55:13 PM »

Is that the more charismatic candidate always wins in America, at least on the federal level. If Clinton defeats Trump it will be historic in the post-television era.
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2016, 09:56:18 PM »

Charisma will do nothing for you when you're a crazy regularly accused of racism.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2016, 09:56:49 PM »

1988?
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Old Man Willow
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 09:57:33 PM »


Bush had just an ounce of that gentle grandfather charm. Dukakis had nothing.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 09:59:02 PM »

Hillary is more charismatic than Donald Trump, so I'm not sure what you're getting at...
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 10:00:07 PM »

So being loud and foul mouthed is charismatic?
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 10:04:08 PM »

The one thing that should scare you about Hillarys' chances:
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 10:06:20 PM »

How charismatic was Nixon?
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 10:07:46 PM »

Is that the more charismatic candidate always wins in America, at least on the federal level. If Clinton defeats Trump it will be historic in the post-television era.

Hubert Humphrey was a very charismatic guy, and Nixon was the opposite. Nixon also almost beat Kennedy.

edit: and I got beaten to it
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 10:08:57 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 10:10:38 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.

I said post-television era.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 10:57:11 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.

How could anyone believe that Gore was more charismatic than Bush? Are you suggesting something else because I'm not following.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2016, 10:58:28 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.

How could anyone believe that Gore was more charismatic than Bush? Are you suggesting something else because I'm not following.

He's saying Gore was less charismatic and he won the popular vote anyway, I think.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2016, 11:00:22 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.

How could anyone believe that Gore was more charismatic than Bush? Are you suggesting something else because I'm not following.

I think he's suggesting the fact that Gore arguably won. Just like Nixon arguably won 1960.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2016, 11:02:22 PM »

Ah, that makes much more sense.
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2016, 11:03:31 PM »

1924, 1920, The WJB elections, 2000 [from a certain point of view] and 1912 say hi.

The 1976 parallels (ABC vs Never Trump, Wide Democratic starting field vs Wide GOP field, Hyper Conservative GOP Congress vs Hyper Liberal Post-Watergate Democrats who both screwed over good healthcare reform,  8 years of disappointing centrists who campaigned loftier in the wake of an unpopular war, etc.) however don't look good for Clinton.

How could anyone believe that Gore was more charismatic than Bush? Are you suggesting something else because I'm not following.

I think he's suggesting the fact that Gore arguably won. Just like Nixon arguably won 1960.

How could one argue that Nixon won in 1960? The evidence really isn't there for vote rigging if that's what you're referring to.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2016, 12:56:59 AM »

How can Trump be charismatic when he has the highest unfavorable rating of any major party nominee in contemporary history?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating
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