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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2016, 05:55:56 PM »

This was actually really popular in Communist regimes, which often went to random tribes in Central Asia and the Balkans and went "okay, you're in the xx ethnicity now, you're in the xx ethnicity now" and half the time those ethnicities were made-up on the spot. It was a well-intentioned but ultimately really stupid policy that ended up pretty poorly for my family, which is why we're stuck in Obama's America. Except we're trying it here now too.

I must admit that I'm not an expert on ethnic politics in America, but I'm pretty sure that Stalin's almost random line drawing in Central Asia is a fair bit different to whatever is happening in America.  I'm not an expert on the region (did a course on Central Asian International Politics when I was at uni, found it incredibly interesting) but there you had a predominantly nomadic population forced to assimilate into a few "nations" (that were vaguely based on history, although the borders were basically done by Stalin to make them weak) and them subjected to 50+ years of Russification to a much greater extent than the European Soviet Republics, while in America you have a policy that's more focused on integration which is a much better policy than assimilation is.  Sure grouping people from East Asia and South Asia together as being the same is silly because both are very different places, but its not like there's an organised government policy to try and combine two different ethnic groups into one.

I assume that when you're talking about the Balkans that you are primarily referring to the former Yugoslav countries, and the ethnic troubles there were not based on Tito or any Communist leader randomly splitting groups up - the borders of most Balkan countries (Kosovo and Serbia are the main exceptions) are basically identical to the internal boundaries of Yugoslavia when it was created in 1918.  I'd personally argue that Tito did very well in preventing ethnic troubles in Yugoslavia when he was alive, and that its no coincidence that Milosevic's moves towards a more unitary state led to the whole thing collapsing in an incredibly tragic way. 

This is very off topic though, it has nothing to do with Donald Trump really
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2016, 06:03:54 PM »

There's still some assimilation. It's just intentionally divisive assimilation. Telling oth Ethiopian and Nigerian immigrants they have to assimilate into the black category...telling both Chinese and Pakistani immigrants they need to assimilate into the Asian category.
This is more the fault of the Census Bureau which invented these artificial groups rather than the Democrats who exploit them.
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2016, 07:05:43 PM »

There's still some assimilation. It's just intentionally divisive assimilation. Telling oth Ethiopian and Nigerian immigrants they have to assimilate into the black category...telling both Chinese and Pakistani immigrants they need to assimilate into the Asian category.
This is more the fault of the Census Bureau which invented these artificial groups rather than the Democrats who exploit them.

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2016, 07:35:04 PM »

There's still some assimilation. It's just intentionally divisive assimilation. Telling oth Ethiopian and Nigerian immigrants they have to assimilate into the black category...telling both Chinese and Pakistani immigrants they need to assimilate into the Asian category.
This is more the fault of the Census Bureau which invented these artificial groups rather than the Democrats who exploit them.

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
Trump Democrat, really.
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2016, 11:31:38 PM »

Interesting. The foundation of this Trump supporter's ideology is the exact opposite. I'm sick of the assimilation being pushed by the left, and I think we need to embrace the individual cultures.
The left doesn't support assimilation at all... they support a militant secular mosaic society under the guise of pluralism. This model may work in a tiny plastic dictatorship like Singapore, but it results in Balkanization in a "real country". As an immigrant myself, I'm all for tolerance of ethnic and religious minorities, but I firmly believe that the Anglosphere's greatness is in part due to their shared liberalism and Christian morality, and I don't think multiculturalism is helpful in that regard.

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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2016, 12:01:25 AM »

Oh my, there are loads of Trump supporters on here--many ironic, but many sincere, too.

As far as issues, I like him on some things (his opposition to Iraq, for example), don't like him on other things (mass deportation, killing terrorists families, banning Muslims from entrance, and many more), but some issues he's just vague on (such as abortion). Mostly, his issue positions seem to just be a matter of random emotion-driven knee-jerk reactions--the exact opposite of "limited government." As Ron Paul basically said, in many ways Trump's the opposite of libertarian.

As far as his persona, I find him ridiculously entertaining, and I do enjoy seeing him tear apart politicians I also dislike. But, he's really an asshole. "Little Marco?" Really? Imagine FDR, JFK, or Reagan saying stuff like that. I've heard he's actually quite nice in private, but if someone I knew acted like that all the time I'd hate that person really fast. He would be a foreign policy hazard, too--I mean, do you really think foreign leaders would take him seriously, or agree with him after he insults them?

I'd never vote for Trump, but that's cheating because I'd also never vote for Cruz, Sanders, Kasich, and definitely never Clinton. That's also why I still have the "Rand" endorsement up on the left, as a placeholder for whatever Libertarian Party candidate I will vote for this November, and a middle finger to the idiotic two-party system that gives us nothing but crap candidates.
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2016, 12:16:24 AM »

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
As soon as the GOP disavows trickle-down economics, count me in. Even if I end up voting for Trump, I'll remain a registered Democrat.
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2016, 07:57:34 AM »

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
As soon as the GOP disavows trickle-down economics, count me in. Even if I end up voting for Trump, I'll remain a registered Democrat.
Essentially, yes: the GOP may align with Conservative Democrats social views more, but their economic policies are not at all aligned with ours.  Voting for that would be outside our interests.
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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2016, 09:42:05 AM »

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
As soon as the GOP disavows trickle-down economics, count me in. Even if I end up voting for Trump, I'll remain a registered Democrat.
Essentially, yes: the GOP may align with Conservative Democrats social views more, but their economic policies are not at all aligned with ours.  Voting for that would be outside our interests.

What if we get a GOP nominee who would kill the TPP on day one, expressed support for the British NHS, and has garnered the universal opposition of Wall Street? And a Democratic nominee who negotiated the TPP.
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2016, 10:11:48 AM »

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
As soon as the GOP disavows trickle-down economics, count me in. Even if I end up voting for Trump, I'll remain a registered Democrat.
Essentially, yes: the GOP may align with Conservative Democrats social views more, but their economic policies are not at all aligned with ours.  Voting for that would be outside our interests.

What if we get a GOP nominee who would kill the TPP on day one, expressed support for the British NHS, and has garnered the universal opposition of Wall Street? And a Democratic nominee who negotiated the TPP.
I might strongly consider that Republican.
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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2016, 10:13:20 AM »

I think it's time you flip that D to an R. You sound like a Conservative Republican right now.
As soon as the GOP disavows trickle-down economics, count me in. Even if I end up voting for Trump, I'll remain a registered Democrat.
Essentially, yes: the GOP may align with Conservative Democrats social views more, but their economic policies are not at all aligned with ours.  Voting for that would be outside our interests.

What if we get a GOP nominee who would kill the TPP on day one, expressed support for the British NHS, and has garnered the universal opposition of Wall Street? And a Democratic nominee who negotiated the TPP.
I might strongly consider that Republican.

My current political allegiance is also predicated on the belief that the candidate can and will pivot more aggressively in the general election when he no longer has to pander to almost entirely Republican electorate. We'll see if I was right.
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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2016, 05:29:00 PM »

This is more the fault of the Census Bureau which invented these artificial groups rather than the Democrats who exploit them.

Who controls the Census Bureau?
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