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vileplume
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« on: May 06, 2016, 11:34:25 PM »
« edited: May 06, 2016, 11:50:41 PM by vileplume »

Hi everyone I just wanted to give my perspective on the upcoming (I presume) Trump vs Hillary election from across the pond (the UK). I have followed American politics for over a year now having followed UK politics from even longer)and have read this forum for a long time too, there are a lot of very good posts on here and a lot of utterly deluded ones too (from both sides). But nevertheless here is my perspective, feel free to disagree:

A Trump win is, barring some unforeseen turn of events, extremely unlikely. A Republican win of the presidency is practically impossible without Florida and I cannot at all see Trump outperforming Romney's numbers with Hispanics (lol) and Hillary will probably also do better with white women and the over 65s (which I believe you call seniors). As for Virginia I expect Trump to do better than a lot of you suspect in the Appalachian counties but yes he will get obliterated in the far more populated NOVA leaving him with virtually no chance of winning the state. Arizona will be a very good bet for investment for the Democrats and I think Kirkpatrick has a far better shot at unseating McCain than most on here think.

On the other hand I do think that the margins in states like IL, IN, OH, PA, MI, NY, NJ, WV, KY to remain fairly static, at least compared to the rest of the country, although I doubt Trump will win any except WV, KY and IN. I don't really think Democrats should kid themselves about Indiana, it's a very probable Trump win (see recent polls as well) with the probable the long term trend in that region being towards the GOP. For for similar reasons they shouldn't be complacent about Ohio, if you want my (non expert) opinion it will become lean R (similar to what I think will happen in Iowa) over the next few cycles as parts of the South and West trend Dem.

My current prediction is Clinton wins with the Obama map 2012 + NC and AZ. Though I think Utah is well worth watching for when the LDS leadership say.

And on Bernie Sanders, the evident runner up for the democratic nomination, while my politics (at least in Britain where the issues are different) are on the centre-right I do think a lot of the hatred for Bernie is unjustified. He is not a socialist (it really bemuses me as to why he describes himself as such) and he would probably fit fairly well into the mainstream of the UK Labour party. He certainly is nowhere near Jeremy Corbyn level nutty, though from reading Twitter at least a lot of his supporters appear to be.

Please feel free to comment and to disagree I am not an expert after all. Just please try to write responses in full sentences there is one person with a D-IL avatar whose level of English appears to be similar to that of a 10 year old... But still I'm perfectly happy for you to read my analysis to filth so long as you do it in an eloquent way Wink.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2016, 11:44:44 PM »

Welcome to the forum!  I think your basic analysis is right as to which states will be relatively better and worse for Trump compared to a regular Republican.  What remains to be seen is how close the election is.  If he loses by, say, 7 points nationally, that map is very plausible.  I personally think that the election will become closer once he starts attacking Hillary, who is a deeply flawed candidate.  Ohio probably flips before Florida this year, and Pennsylvania may even as well.  I wish we had a more normal election for you to follow.  I am a conservative Republican who supported Scott Walker, then Marco Rubio when Walker dropped out, and then Ted Cruz when Rubio dropped out in the primaries.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2016, 11:50:18 PM »

Oops I did forget to explain why I think Georgia will remain Republican. I think the Democrats will take it someday soon but I think it won't be this year. Trump is a pretty good fit for Southern whites so I think this along with Georgia's lack of elasticity will be enough to keep it fairly narrowly Republican probably similar to the 2% margin Romney won NC in 2012.

  
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2016, 12:29:42 AM »

I see you've encountered Da-Jon...

In either case, I agree with most of your points. Arizona seems like a low-risk, high-reward state for the Democrats, and I do agree that Indiana is overrated as far as swing states go. As for Utah, however, although I do think it will swing heavily towards the Democrats, I don't think that it will actually flip. Likewise, although the Midwest is beginning to trend Republican, Ohio won't flip either. Not sure how far Iowa will trend yet.
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