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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 02:29:24 PM »

Im starting to think caucus primaries tend to force people into social desirability bias, anybody who is seen voting for the candidate that their friends/family dislikes would probably just go along and choose the more popular candidate around their area.

Perhaps the parties eliminate caucuses all together in future primaries. Since people are concerned about their privacy.

GOP caucuses are all by secret ballot, so this is less of a factor than it would be on the Democratic side.

There's pretty convincing evidence that it was stolen for Rubes, FTR.

Nope (see AAD).
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 02:35:08 PM »

Trump seems to do poorly with Midwestern Evangelicals. He does very well with Southern ones, but a lot of the stereotypes of prudery and Ned Flandersism associated with Evangelicals apply much more to those in the Midwest and Great Plains than to those in the South: Southern Evangelicals are voting for Trump primarily, I suspect, because the South has much more entrenched racial divisions and resentments that he can appeal to. This is much less of a factor in the mostly-White, more insulated Midwest. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 02:37:21 PM »
« Edited: March 04, 2016, 02:41:20 PM by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) »

Trump seems to do poorly with Midwestern Evangelicals. He does very well with Southern ones, but a lot of the stereotypes of prudery and Ned Flandersism associated with Evangelicals apply much more to those in the Midwest and Great Plains than to those in the South: Southern Evangelicals are voting for Trump primarily, I suspect, because the South has much more entrenched racial divisions and resentments that he can appeal to. This is much less of a factor in the mostly-White, more insulated Midwest.  

Black Belt whites love Trump, but i wonder whats the explanation for his wins in the North-east.

My guess is that to a lot of socially moderate/liberal republicans up there, he's more of their guy than Cruz or Rubio.

By the way, the large amount of support from those white republicans near the black belt voting for a New Yorker who praised Planned parenthood, is less religious, and by far the least economically right-wing and even said that the War in Iraq was wrong. Shows that claims that whites in the south were actually religious conservatives who switched over "abortion and gays", is pretty much BS.
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 03:17:42 PM »

How did Drumpf come in third place and Rubio crush?  What is up with Minnesota's demographics and political environment that there was such an extreme skew from the results nationally and in all the other states?

It is really a horrible state for Drumpf. Well educated state, rural voters are big on values, big suburban population as well and it is a caucus. Hits on most of Rubio's strengths and Cruz also had to focus his attention elsewhere.

This is the correct answer.  Also, it's a relatively prosperous state that didn't suffer all that much during the Great Recession and has rebounded very well from it; although it would be a stretch to ever refer to a Minnesotan as "angry", it's likely that Minnesotans aren't feeling all that much of whatever our closest equivalent is.

Minnesota:  Where not too bad is pretty good and not too good is pretty bad.

Where "can't complain" means you could complain but it could be worse so you don't.

But I echo the sentiments of above.  The economy is doing well, the state has a budget surplus, and job growth is good.  There is anger about the state of affairs nationally and globally but it is muted by the relative prosperity at home.
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 03:20:21 PM »

TRUMP came in third because Minnesota is a state known for being filled with hipsters and low energy people.

As for Rubio? Minnesota does have a fairly large LGBT+ population.
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 03:26:32 PM »

Central and northern Minnesota Republicans favored Cruz.  They are generally your "values voters" types who are very concerned with abortion and conservative Christian values.  Even then, it's not as activist as elsewhere because they tend not to be evangelicals.  Think more your conservative Catholic or Missouri Synod Lutherans... they'll vote for a DFLer now and then but prefer the GOP nationally.

Southern MN and the Twin Cities have more of your moderate/liberal Republicans who are much more concerned with economic issues.  They want free markets and low taxes and low regulations but put less emphasis on social issues.

As for the DFL.. well that was uniform statewide.  Bernie is nearly a perfect fit for the DFL while Hillary very much is not.  Lots of people were mentioning Paul Wellstone to the media on caucus night.  Bernie reminds the of him.. and he's a state hero.  You still see his bumper stickers on cars.. carefully peeled and placed on the new car when the old one was sold.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2016, 04:04:37 PM »

Minnesota has always been pretty weird for Republicans. Romney came third well behind Santorum and Paul. Its a caucus, so I doubt the results would be the same if it was a primary, but I also think the upper Midwest is one of Trump's weakest areas. The M-SP area was almost tailor-made for Rubio (high income, high education, very suburban, less religious, less prone to fear and prejudice, focused more on economics), and that metro is about half of the state's population.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 04:17:02 PM »

Minnesota has always been pretty weird for Republicans. Romney came third well behind Santorum and Paul. Its a caucus, so I doubt the results would be the same if it was a primary, but I also think the upper Midwest is one of Trump's weakest areas. The M-SP area was almost tailor-made for Rubio (high income, high education, very suburban, less religious, less prone to fear and prejudice, focused more on economics), and that metro is about half of the state's population.

Except Bachmann's CD-6.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2016, 04:40:25 PM »

Minnesota has always been pretty weird for Republicans. Romney came third well behind Santorum and Paul. Its a caucus, so I doubt the results would be the same if it was a primary, but I also think the upper Midwest is one of Trump's weakest areas. The M-SP area was almost tailor-made for Rubio (high income, high education, very suburban, less religious, less prone to fear and prejudice, focused more on economics), and that metro is about half of the state's population.

Except Bachmann's CD-6.

Didn't Cruz win that one?
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2016, 11:27:16 PM »

I believe Rubio won CD 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 while Cruz won 6, 7, and 8.

It can be summed up as... Rubio won south of the Twin Cities and Cruz won north of the Twin Cities and the Twin Cities was split geographically with the northern suburbs going to Cruz while the rest of the Twin Cities went to Rubio.


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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2016, 11:53:02 PM »

How did Drumpf come in third place and Rubio crush?  What is up with Minnesota's demographics and political environment that there was such an extreme skew from the results nationally and in all the other states?

It is really a horrible state for Drumpf. Well educated state, rural voters are big on values, big suburban population as well and it is a caucus. Hits on most of Rubio's strengths and Cruz also had to focus his attention elsewhere.

This is the correct answer.  Also, it's a relatively prosperous state that didn't suffer all that much during the Great Recession and has rebounded very well from it; although it would be a stretch to ever refer to a Minnesotan as "angry", it's likely that Minnesotans aren't feeling all that much of whatever our closest equivalent is.

Minnesota:  Where not too bad is pretty good and not too good is pretty bad.

Where "can't complain" means you could complain but it could be worse so you don't.

But I echo the sentiments of above.  The economy is doing well, the state has a budget surplus, and job growth is good.  There is anger about the state of affairs nationally and globally but it is muted by the relative prosperity at home.


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