PBS Milwaukee, WI Democratic debate @9pm ET **live commentary thread**

[Shadows]

Bernie's closing statement goes to the core of his political philosophy.


Hillary's is just a list of policy positions.

One of the things that stuck with me from the 2008 campaign was Obama's constant reinforcement that, it's not about experience, or about what a person is promising you. It's about judgment, about where a person was when it counted. I'll always keep that in mind in campaigns going forward for the rest of my life. I trust Bernie's judgment, and because of many things from Hillary (her vote on Iraq being one) I can never trust her judgment. Ever.

His philosophy may not matter to Beet, but it matters to me.

Obama never came off as ignorant as foreign policy as Sanders does. Judgment works in more than one way. Sanders would definitely be capable of making major foreign policy errors. One vote doesn't mean that he is qualified to be in Commander in Chief.

If he wins the nomination, his lack of foreign policy chops will be a major problem.

Obama was a huge disaster in foreign policy. He could speak out only reaching out to nations till Feb, he got wide spread criticism, even bush came out n said this guy can't speak a word about foreign policy in Feb.

Obama only grew while he was fighting the general

[Beet]

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No, I actually like that he's trying. Still, at some point he is going to hit reality, win or lose, and we have no idea of how he is going to deal with it. With Hillary, it's true she won't get her proposals either, but she shows awareness with everything that she says that it won't be easy. Bernie doesn't.

To the contrary. Hillary shows lack of awareness of the political reality, by thinking that politics as usual and the trite 1990s democratic campaigning style will lead her to achieve anything.

Bernie is aware of the fact that the only way we have any chance to move America forward is through by trying to inspire a massive popular movement, and energize people who normally don't participate in the political process.

If Bernie wins the nomination, will you take a bet with me that we don't have Medicare for all and that the financial industry is still giving millions of dollars to presidential candidates by January 20, 2021?

[Ebsy]

Right because in the past 13 months nothing has gotten done with a Democratic White House and a GOP Congress. No Medicare reform with a Doc Fix and a shift to focus on the quality of care delievered over how many tests you can perform, no transportation bill, no NCLB rewrite, nope. Nothing. Zilch.

To be fair, you are 100% right.

[Frodo]

Hillary has gone raging banshee. It's official.

Ah yes, we have one candidate literally red-in-the-face, constantly shouting himself hoarse, hands waving all over the place, and the minute Hillary actually gets forceful in tone it's her that's the raging banshee.

Passion and Panic Mode are not one and the same, ClarkO

So it's 'passion' if it's coming from a man, but if it is coming from a woman it's a sign of 'panic'.  

Why don't you come out in the open, and accuse her of being 'shrill' why you're at it?  

[Frodo]

Exactly - this is such a stupid position for the Hillary campaign to take. The only way she's getting legislation through a Republican congress is if she goes Bill Clinton on them and starts signing off on right-wing legislation.

Which is a distinct possibility.

Yup. I am increasingly starting to fear that a Hillary victory would bring us back to the nightmarish dystopia that the late 1990s-early 2000s period was for the left. The only way we can avoid that is if grassroots progressive never once stop holding her feet on fire. That's why Bernie's campaign will do a lot of good even if he doesn't win.

You do what you can with a Republican Congress.  If you want her to do more for the progressive cause, then give her a Democratic Congress.   

[Beet]

Exactly - this is such a stupid position for the Hillary campaign to take. The only way she's getting legislation through a Republican congress is if she goes Bill Clinton on them and starts signing off on right-wing legislation.

Which is a distinct possibility.

Yup. I am increasingly starting to fear that a Hillary victory would bring us back to the nightmarish dystopia that the late 1990s-early 2000s period was for the left. The only way we can avoid that is if grassroots progressive never once stop holding her feet on fire. That's why Bernie's campaign will do a lot of good even if he doesn't win.

You do what you can with a Republican Congress.  If you want her to do more for the progressive cause, then give her a Democratic Congress.   

Sanders has a strong plan to elect a Democratic majority in Congress because he's building a movement that's not just about himself.... oh wait.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

You know, I am really starting to like Bernie. I agree with nothing he says, but he's so authentic when you put him next to Hillary. It's hard to hate the man.

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Hillary has gone raging banshee. It's official.

Ah yes, we have one candidate literally red-in-the-face, constantly shouting himself hoarse, hands waving all over the place, and the minute Hillary actually gets forceful in tone it's her that's the raging banshee.

Passion and Panic Mode are not one and the same, ClarkO

So it's 'passion' if it's coming from a man, but if it is coming from a woman it's a sign of 'panic'.  

Why don't you come out in the open, and accuse her of being 'shrill' why you're at it?  

Sexism accusation when you know you have no way to fight back. Typical.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Exactly - this is such a stupid position for the Hillary campaign to take. The only way she's getting legislation through a Republican congress is if she goes Bill Clinton on them and starts signing off on right-wing legislation.

Which is a distinct possibility.

Yup. I am increasingly starting to fear that a Hillary victory would bring us back to the nightmarish dystopia that the late 1990s-early 2000s period was for the left. The only way we can avoid that is if grassroots progressive never once stop holding her feet on fire. That's why Bernie's campaign will do a lot of good even if he doesn't win.

You do what you can with a Republican Congress.  If you want her to do more for the progressive cause, then give her a Democratic Congress.   

Sanders has a strong plan to elect a Democratic majority in Congress because he's building a movement that's not just about himself.... oh wait.

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

See below. It's even his campaign slogan!