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« on: October 08, 2015, 04:40:38 PM »

If Joe runs and is elected, what would a Biden Presidency look like? Would it continue the center-left policies of Obama domestically, or is Joe more of a '90s "New Democrat" centrist/center right ala Clinton? How do you think Joe would handle foreign policy?
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 07:35:45 PM »

It would essentially be an Obama third term and continue with Obama's priorities. Weirdly enough, that would involve walking back on some of biden's own legislation (like the big 90's crime bill and various drug warrior stuff) that were essentially from a different era.

Now stylistically? There would probably be a difference. Biden is a backslapper and his White House would lack the somewhat cerebral, distant outlook of Obama - for better or for worse.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 11:11:39 PM »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

But to be honest, I don't think he'd win the election in the end, and it would almost certainly be a one-term Presidency.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 11:17:53 PM »

I imagine he'd get a lot more through congress than Obama has. But it would effectively be trying to accomplish everything Obama didn't. But he's easily the best of the three top democrats running - The others consist of an untrustworthy warmonger and an avowed socialist.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 11:34:50 PM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2015, 11:37:25 PM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.

What will be viable depends on who is retiring. If Alito retires, republicans will only accept another conservative as the replacement. If Ginsburg retires, they'll probably ratify more or less anybody. The name of the game will be 'keep the 5-4 balance (between Republicans and Democrats on the court)'.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2015, 10:48:13 AM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.

What will be viable depends on who is retiring. If Alito retires, republicans will only accept another conservative as the replacement. If Ginsburg retires, they'll probably ratify more or less anybody. The name of the game will be 'keep the 5-4 balance (between Republicans and Democrats on the court)'.

I understand that would be how Republicans would try to play it. Do you feel that's legitimate? That the current ideological composition of the Court should be set in stone?
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2015, 01:13:20 PM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.

Unless he's nominating an uber-liberal with a controversial past that Republicans agree to keep under wraps, I doubt he'd nominate a conservative as well. Assuming a Biden Presidency, Democrats have probably gained at least a couple seats in the Senate and only need a couple more Republicans for approval.
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2015, 01:16:04 PM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.

Unless he's nominating an uber-liberal with a controversial past that Republicans agree to keep under wraps, I doubt he'd nominate a conservative as well. Assuming a Biden Presidency, Democrats have probably gained at least a couple seats in the Senate and only need a couple more Republicans for approval.

You're forgetting how appointments to SCOTUS work here. When Reid abolished the nomination filibuster in 2013, he carved out an exception for Supreme Court nominees - therefore, Supreme Court nominees still need 60 votes to be confirmed.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2015, 02:52:10 PM »

I'm curious at how Supreme Court confirmations would go. The Senate could be closely divided and multiple Justices could need replacing. I could almost imagine Biden pulling a Jed Bartlet and nominating a conservative and a liberal as a brokered deal.

Unless he's nominating an uber-liberal with a controversial past that Republicans agree to keep under wraps, I doubt he'd nominate a conservative as well. Assuming a Biden Presidency, Democrats have probably gained at least a couple seats in the Senate and only need a couple more Republicans for approval.

You're forgetting how appointments to SCOTUS work here. When Reid abolished the nomination filibuster in 2013, he carved out an exception for Supreme Court nominees - therefore, Supreme Court nominees still need 60 votes to be confirmed.

I didn't forget, I just am a little more optimistic that Republicans decide not to break precedent. They don't necessarily need 60 votes, just if the nomination is filibustered. I don't recall a Supreme Court nomination ever being filibustered to defeat, and Alito and Thomas both were confirmed with fewer than 60 votes.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 03:26:19 PM »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

Why don't you just say what you mean, it's because Biden is a white man and not some black guy from Chicago.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2015, 04:05:59 PM »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

Why don't you just say what you mean, it's because Biden is a white man and not some black guy from Chicago.

Oh stop it. The average mainstream republican isn't racist. And it's a fact that Biden is better at negotiating and would come into the job with lots more political experience than Obama had in 2009.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2015, 04:37:04 PM »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

Why don't you just say what you mean, it's because Biden is a white man and not some black guy from Chicago.

Oh stop it. The average mainstream republican isn't racist. And it's a fact that Biden is better at negotiating and would come into the job with lots more political experience than Obama had in 2009.

Naso is a racist, though.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2015, 04:53:07 PM »

Biden was chair that approved Clarence Thomas but he wont do the GOP any favors like Dubya didnt do Dems any favors in selecting Alito & Roberts and liberals wont tolerate a conservative nominee even if Scalia dies unexpectedly.

He would user a bipartisan relationship between to Tory house and divided senate and pass bipartisan bills.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2015, 04:57:04 PM »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

Why don't you just say what you mean, it's because Biden is a white man and not some black guy from Chicago.

Oh stop it. The average mainstream republican isn't racist. And it's a fact that Biden is better at negotiating and would come into the job with lots more political experience than Obama had in 2009.

This is Naso.
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2015, 09:19:45 PM »

Biden would spend most of his Presidency cleaning up Obama's foreign policy and making a lot of really uncomfortable phone calls. On domestic policy, I think he'd probably be very similar to Obama on substance but incredibly different on style. He's an old Congressional hand, and would know how to work with both sides and maybe get some common sense reforms passed on taxes, guns, and banking. He's a bit awkward as a communicator, but has a common touch that would likely make him very good at taking his case directly to the people, which Obama utterly failed to do on a lot of issues.

The biggest issue he'll face is the Supreme Court. He would probably be able to get anyone through for Ginsburg's seat, but I can see the Republicans refusing to confirm even a moderate like Merrick Garland for a "Conservative seat".
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2015, 10:15:50 PM »

To be clear, the court is hardly 5-4 GOP-DEM. Roberts is like Wulfric, and Kennedy is the only moderate.

It's more 4-4 with a tilt D.
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2015, 06:45:20 AM »

He'd a vast improvement over Obama and that's saying a lot😮
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2015, 03:47:21 PM »

Not good. The times are calling for true change, and a populist. We can argue about whether that person should be a progressive or a reactionary, but Biden is not the man for the job in 2016. He had a shot in 1988 and 2008, and has been closer to the Presidency than any American besides Obama for the past 7 years.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2015, 02:31:52 AM »
« Edited: October 13, 2015, 02:53:46 AM by Reaganfan »

As a Republican, I would tolerate President Biden the most easily. I understand he is a liberal, but I don't think his heart is in it the same way as it is for Obama. Also, Biden's been around. He ran for President when Reagan was President. That would keep some form of retro-continuity for me.

Why don't you just say what you mean, it's because Biden is a white man and not some black guy from Chicago.

You really think the reason I don't like Obama is because he is black? That isn't the reason. It's because he is liberal.

If Condi Rice had run, I'd be supporting her. She's a black woman. If we nominated Mia Love, I'd wholeheartedly support her. She's black with an interracial mixed family.

My problem is not the color of his skin, it's the content of his character.
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