How to Overturn Roe v. Wade

[JohnRM]

So, a case of friendly fire, then. Alright, just a misunderstanding. My apologies.

[Clark Kent]

So, a case of friendly fire, then. Alright, just a misunderstanding. My apologies.

It's fine.

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Uh, guys... the viability argument is pointless. Why does it matter whether or not the fetus can live outside the womb? That factor is and should be irrelevant in determining whether abortion should be legal or not.

The actual relevant moral argument in determining whether or not abortion should be legal comes in when we look at why we value the life of babies in the first place.

Clearly, we do not value the life of everything. If we valued the life of all organisms, it would be immoral to use antibacterial soap or pick flowers. Obviously, we don't care about whether some organisms (bacteria, plants, etc.) live or die unless their life has a direct impact upon ours.

So then why do we value the life of a human? Why do people matter? And not just people, but why do we also value the lives of certain animals? If we saw someone cut a bush down or kill a bacterium, we generally wouldn't care, but if we saw someone cut of the head of a person, horse, or dog, we would probably view that as an atrocity. Why is this?

Clearly, the only answer to that question is that we do (and should) value the life of something only if that thing can think and feel emotion. That's why nobody has a second thought when they take antibiotics or pick a pretty leaf off of a tree, but people do usually frown upon biting the heads off of kittens for recreational purposes.

So now that we know that whether an organism can think/feel emotion is what determines whether its life has value (as explained above), we can look at any situation and determine whether ending life in that situation is immoral.

The next step that arises in the abortion debate is determining when fetuses start to feel emotion (which comes before thinking in the fetal development process). Please read the following Live Science article to determine that yourself:

http://www.livescience.com/15975-babies-feeling-pain.html

(Please note that there are such things as 'good sources' and 'bad sources'. Good sources include... lemme see... studies completed by actual, reputable, university-authorized researchers at the University College London Hospital. Bad sources include... lemme see... studies completed by pro-life groups that intentionally rig outcomes/results in order to best fit their narrative and would clearly never publish a study that goes against what they want it to say.)

As established by the above article and university-authorized study included therein, babies do not feel pain (the most basic of the emotions) until around 35 to 37 weeks after conception. Hence, the value of life that we have already established (whether the organism can think/feel emotion) does not come into play until that time. Clearly, that means that abortion is moral and should be legal for at least the first two trimesters.

[Lief 🗽]

A baby, left alone, will not be able to survive, either. Without the proper care from its parents or guardians, it will die.

Go ahead and leave a baby at a bus stop or public park somewhere. I've got ten grand that says that baby survives. We can do it a hundred times and I bet the baby survives every single time. There are still some good people in this country.

Yes, but it survives with help. On its own, it dies.

Oh, I see. Based on that standard, you must support post-birth abortion and the decriminalization of murder in general. Minorities of just about any age are incapable of surviving on their own. We should let sick and injured people die too, right? To hell with those with diabetes, because they can't survive on their own, either. Then, of course, most of us can't survive without help from the grocery stores for food. By that standard, I guess 99 percent of human beings should be eligible for post-birth abortions. Oh wait, but then again, even primitive tribal people need the help of nature and their kinsmen to survive, so...kill 'em all, let the god that doesn't exist not sort them out.

Or, you know, maybe it means that I oppose abortion and am pro-life. But nah, it must mean that I support killing babies and minorities, right?

Do you support the Affordable Care Act's contraceptive coverage mandate?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

A baby, left alone, will not be able to survive, either. Without the proper care from its parents or guardians, it will die.

Go ahead and leave a baby at a bus stop or public park somewhere. I've got ten grand that says that baby survives. We can do it a hundred times and I bet the baby survives every single time. There are still some good people in this country.

Yes, but it survives with help. On its own, it dies.

How many adults could survive without help?

Are we talking real world or libertarian fantasy land?

[Slander and/or Libel]

A baby, left alone, will not be able to survive, either. Without the proper care from its parents or guardians, it will die.

Go ahead and leave a baby at a bus stop or public park somewhere. I've got ten grand that says that baby survives. We can do it a hundred times and I bet the baby survives every single time. There are still some good people in this country.

Yes, but it survives with help. On its own, it dies.

How many adults could survive without help?

Are we talking real world or libertarian fantasy land?

Part A and Part B, let's say.

[Clark Kent]

A baby, left alone, will not be able to survive, either. Without the proper care from its parents or guardians, it will die.

Go ahead and leave a baby at a bus stop or public park somewhere. I've got ten grand that says that baby survives. We can do it a hundred times and I bet the baby survives every single time. There are still some good people in this country.

Yes, but it survives with help. On its own, it dies.

Oh, I see. Based on that standard, you must support post-birth abortion and the decriminalization of murder in general. Minorities of just about any age are incapable of surviving on their own. We should let sick and injured people die too, right? To hell with those with diabetes, because they can't survive on their own, either. Then, of course, most of us can't survive without help from the grocery stores for food. By that standard, I guess 99 percent of human beings should be eligible for post-birth abortions. Oh wait, but then again, even primitive tribal people need the help of nature and their kinsmen to survive, so...kill 'em all, let the god that doesn't exist not sort them out.

Or, you know, maybe it means that I oppose abortion and am pro-life. But nah, it must mean that I support killing babies and minorities, right?

Do you support the Affordable Care Act's contraceptive coverage mandate?

Contraceptives, unlike abortion, aren't actually killing anything. I have no problem with them. I also do support Obamacare for the most part, but I oppose the mandate.