The Inner City: why multiculturalism is an engineered sham

[afleitch]

Thank you everyone for the support in the 'British Youth Show Promise' thread! If I had sent that into a British newspaper the police would have been at my door by now! Multiculturalism has failed, even the Commissioner for Racial Equality, Trevor Philips has said so. The youth of Britian are reacting to what they see around them. The Dutch have already had enough, the Flemish in Belgium voted in  the right wing Vlaams Blok (forced to dispand and reform as Vlaams Belang thanks to their silly 'hate' laws) who became the largest party. Belgium is a country I love and visit often. Antwerp is a beautiful city but is now no more than an 'Islamic ghetto' as one shopkeeper I spoke to remarked. Centuries of European culture in these cities are being wiped out in a generation and we are all supposed to accept it! And no, I don't mean 'white' culture, I mean western, Christian culture (where the majority of people just happen to be white), something that is now deemed unnacceptable by the political correct brigade.

The Low Countries have said 'no more!' and for that I applaud them. Islam is a threat to Europe in a way that Hinduism and Sikhism are not and I can't stand by and pretend to be comfortable with it when I am not. (And yes I do have some problems with Sikhism, Hinduism as well as Christian evangelicalism) And I DONT want my intelligence insulted when I air these views- being labelled a 'thicko' or a 'petty minded little Englander' (I'm Scottish anway) I am a young university student studying History and Politics to degree level. I can hold these views because I have studied them and I can argue for them. I disagree with Islams position on women and homosexuality, yet If i say I so I would be accused of being 'phobic'.

A phobia is an irrational fear, my fears are very rational. It is a fear driven by out of control immigration, where the poorest immigrants are bused out to the poorest parts of the city, housed and provided for. Language and cultural centres suddenly spring up to cater for them funded through taxation, while local services, such as swimming pools and youth clubs shut for lack of funds and they wonder why there is tension! Then those neighbourhoods suddenly become pieces of 'territory' to be fought over between immigrant gangs to see who controls the drugs trade, or the local prostitution ring. The police refuse to intervene in case they are accused of being 'racist.' White flight occurs, as white families who can afford to leave do so, leaving behind the poor and the elderly who feel like strangers in their own city. Usually the local church shuts and then next year the church building finds a new 'lease of life' as a local 'cultural community centre' or worse still, a mosque.

Then it is complete. In one generation the PC brigade has turned a working class community into the bastion of an ethnic minority. The inner city beomes a battle ground between Muslims against Hindus, and between Afro-Carribeans and African immigrants. The main political parties suddenly put up ethnic minority candidates at local elections, who easily get in if they can get their 'blocs' to vote for them. The main parties get so obsessed with attracting the ethnic vote that remaining white voters feel disenfranchised. Soon the only candidate with a western sounding name on their ballot paper, the only one who appeals to them is the bloody BNP candidate. That is the sorry reality of Britains inner cities today. And they wonder why people have had enough.

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[Jake]

I agree with you and Peter on this.  Disturbing trend you have over in Europe.  Hopefully, America doesn't continue walking down that path.

[dazzleman]

I agree with you and Peter on this.  Disturbing trend you have over in Europe.  Hopefully, America doesn't continue walking down that path.

America is on that path, with politically correct liberalism.  We need to get off it --- fast.

Multiculturalism is absolute garbage.  It is totally contrary to human nature.  If we want people to get along and live together, we have to emphasize similarities, not differences.  We should be seeking to override ethnic differences, not accentuate them.

The pushing of multicultarism is so stupid that it's borderline criminal.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It is a fear driven by out of control immigration,

There's very little immigration to the U.K nowadays. Certainly nothing on Post War immigration.

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Not true. *Most* areas with high ethnic minority populations were derelict by the time they moved in (which is why a very high % of Pakistanis live in '60's and '70's towerblocks). Places like Sparkbrook, Spitalfields and Brixton had been flattend by bombing in WWII and it was easier to house new immigrants in those areas as there'd be little complaints from locals (because there were hardly any left).
White flight (especially prominant in the Black Country) tended to occur in more middle class areas (a classic example is Enoch Powell's old constituency) rather than working class areas, most of which have had fairly stable populations (if you adjust for overspill developments) since the War.
A lot of areas where ethnic minorities live have been inhabited by immigrants (from all over the place) for a long time, centuries in some cases. Sparkbrook used to have a very large Irish population, Chapelton used to be home to both Irish and Jewish immigrants and Spitalfields has been home to everything from Huegenouts to Eastern European Jews (FYI the Jews moved out because of the Blackshirts).

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Quite a rare thing to happen actually

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Muslims don't live in the same places as Hindus. Example: Tower Hamlets (home to a huge Bangladeshi population and loads of "Indian" takeaways) actually has the *lowest* % of ethnic Indians of *any* London borough (including Havering).
Africans tended to settle in the same places as Caribbeans because they found out very quickly that they'd have less trouble settling there than in white areas. There's been little conflict between the two communities (although the media sure love to play up isolated incidents into a broader trend).

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For the same reason why the political parties put up Scottish candidates in Scotland

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That sort of exploitation isn't as big a problem as it used to be.

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Really? Since when? Very rarely on a national level with the exception of recent attempts by the LibDems to court the Muslim vote.
Most ethnic groups are solidly Labour nationally and there are few "reach out" attempts. It's easier to play the Powellite card...

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Also very rare

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Seeing as the BNP get trashed in Inner Cities I don't get where you get that idea from. There's usually one or two white candidates even in places that are over 60% minority.

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Must be different inner cities to the ones I know. The biggest problems in inner cities tend to have more to do with economic problems that got very bad due to the Heath recession and got worse, a lot worse, in the '80's.

[AuH2O]

Here is the problem: many people realize that something is going wrong, but are unable to connect the dots, so to speak, to understand how and why.

Doesn't it seem a little odd that something so unpopular (third world immigration) in virtually every country would be pushed by most of their governments? In a democratic system, that shouldn't happen, especially when it's not just unpopular but very harmful.

Once someone accepts the right of Western civilization to exist, they've cleared the most basic ideological hurdle. Then the only question is "how," both at the societal level and the personal level. Voting for people that support the destruction of their own countries makes little sense, so that is one immediate step that can be taken.

In Britain, the only real option is to hold your nose and vote BNP, at least for Parliamentary elections (I guess maybe there are local elections also?). Not because the BNP is good, but because it sends a message to the government. There has been some mild success with this approach, such as Le Pen's performance in France that forced Chirac rightward on immigration.

[Jake]

America is on that path, with politically correct liberalism.  We need to get off it --- fast.

Multiculturalism is absolute garbage.  It is totally contrary to human nature.  If we want people to get along and live together, we have to emphasize similarities, not differences.  We should be seeking to override ethnic differences, not accentuate them.

The pushing of multicultarism is so stupid that it's borderline criminal.

Hah, that post is so fitting today

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Doesn't it seem a little odd that something so unpopular (third world immigration) in virtually every country would be pushed by most of their governments?

A lot of the immigration to the U.K happend around the time of decolonialisation and often wasn't encouraged by Government.
And then there's the case of the Ugandan Asians. Not a lot else could have been done about them.

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So far the only sucess the BNP has had has been in council elections. They still haven't come close to taking any councils over, and due to the incompetence and petty corruption of most of their candidates, they tend to collapse in any area shortly after there sucess.
They've never come second in a Parliamentary election, although I have a nasty feeling that they might in Dewsbury.

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Other than "I'm a racist" it doesn't.

[phk]

I agree with you and Peter on this.  Disturbing trend you have over in Europe.  Hopefully, America doesn't continue walking down that path.

America is on that path, with politically correct liberalism.  We need to get off it --- fast.

Multiculturalism is absolute garbage.  It is totally contrary to human nature.  If we want people to get along and live together, we have to emphasize similarities, not differences.  We should be seeking to override ethnic differences, not accentuate them.

The pushing of multicultarism is so stupid that it's borderline criminal.

Then why do right-wingers love Islam?

[afleitch]

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'For the same reason why the political parties put up Scottish candidates in Scotland'

WTF? Scotland isn't some demographic creation. It's an ancient country. it's not as if Scots have chased out people who used to live there in the 50's! They have always been there since the creation of the Kingdom of the Scots in the 10th century. A pointless comparison.

[AuH2O]

Pay no heed to the anti-British, anti-Scottish racists.

Scots, by the way, appear to have a much stronger conciousness than the English, though I'm not sure why. Perhaps because they were (are?) oppressed by the English.

[KEmperor]

Totally agree.  That's not something someone with a red avatar would be caught dead saying though.

[Platypus]

We are fortunate in Australia that most immigrants 'spread' a it. In Melbourne, there are only two immigrant 'ghettos'-Springvale and Footscray, both primarily Vietnamese. Sure some areas were a focus for specific groups-Inner south for Grreks, Northwest for Italians, etc.-but you'll find a good spread just about whever you go-in my little courtyard there are Brits, Italian-Aussies, white australians, Filipinos, Chinese Malaysians, Chinese-Malay Australians, French, Kiwis, Chinese and I think Irish but it might just be an odd British accent, and we're inner city. Sydney is a bit different, it has a lot more muslims then us and I'll admit that there is quite a bit of friction there, and they do have an islamic 'ghetto', sorta, in Lakemba (ask Polkergeist for more info), but really most of us just think it's normal. It'd be a lie to say we saw no difference-of course there are differences, and some groups have more crime, some work harder as a whole in school, etc., but really we are a very young country still forming it's identity, so for at least the younger generation that has never really had any emotional ties to Britain, it's working. I suppose that if you have thousands of years of culture being rapidly changed it would be more difficult, but from an Aussie point of view we encourage and welcome immigrants, despite the small, small group like Pauline Hanson who don't-but unlike in some places, that opinion is destested by most Aussies and that's why it gets so much pubicity. There is a lot more quite racism in Europe then in Australia, imo.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

WTF? Scotland isn't some demographic creation. It's an ancient country. it's not as if Scots have chased out people who used to live there in the 50's! They have always been there since the creation of the Kingdom of the Scots in the 10th century. A pointless comparison.

Works like this: Scotland=Majority Scottish area=Parties put up Scottish candidates. Brent South=Majority Minority area=Parties put up Minority candidates.

Simple electoral logic. Besides most branch parties in MM wards have large Minority populations and usually end up picking a local.
Interestingly there's a large Scottish immigrant population in Corby (, Northants) and most of the candidates in Scottish wards are Scottish.

I'll repeat that most areas with high immigrant (usually 2nd generation now) populations have always had high immigrant populations and work a bit like a revolving door. There's been very little driving out of old settled communities post-war. Main exception is parts of the old Docklands, but as the people who drove out the locals in those areas are white upper middle class Yuppies it's obviously "O.K"...

[Polkergeist]

Problems with race relations arise when you have distrust breeding within an ethnic group against the outside world at large. This is what happens with some Arab Muslims in Lakemba. They somehow get the idea that 'anglo' society is out to get them and they go out and cause trouble or segregate themselves from the rest of society.

Now the same thing happens with white people. if the white community feels threatened they'll refuse to interact with the other races. This shuts other races out of the wider community and encourages minority gehttos.

Both sides feed into each other and create disjointed race relations.

[Democratic Hawk]

Thank you everyone for the support in the 'British Youth Show Promise' thread! If I had sent that into a British newspaper the police would have been at my door by now! Multiculturalism has failed, even the Commissioner for Racial Equality, Trevor Philips has said so. The youth of Britian are reacting to what they see around them. The Dutch have already had enough, the Flemish in Belgium voted in  the right wing Vlaams Blok (forced to dispand and reform as Vlaams Belang thanks to their silly 'hate' laws) who became the largest party. Belgium is a country I love and visit often. Antwerp is a beautiful city but is now no more than an 'Islamic ghetto' as one shopkeeper I spoke to remarked. Centuries of European culture in these cities are being wiped out in a generation and we are all supposed to accept it! And no, I don't mean 'white' culture, I mean western, Christian culture (where the majority of people just happen to be white), something that is now deemed unnacceptable by the political correct brigade.

The Low Countries have said 'no more!' and for that I applaud them. Islam is a threat to Europe in a way that Hinduism and Sikhism are not and I can't stand by and pretend to be comfortable with it when I am not. (And yes I do have some problems with Sikhism, Hinduism as well as Christian evangelicalism) And I DONT want my intelligence insulted when I air these views- being labelled a 'thicko' or a 'petty minded little Englander' (I'm Scottish anway) I am a young university student studying History and Politics to degree level. I can hold these views because I have studied them and I can argue for them. I disagree with Islams position on women and homosexuality, yet If i say I so I would be accused of being 'phobic'.

A phobia is an irrational fear, my fears are very rational. It is a fear driven by out of control immigration, where the poorest immigrants are bused out to the poorest parts of the city, housed and provided for. Language and cultural centres suddenly spring up to cater for them funded through taxation, while local services, such as swimming pools and youth clubs shut for lack of funds and they wonder why there is tension! Then those neighbourhoods suddenly become pieces of 'territory' to be fought over between immigrant gangs to see who controls the drugs trade, or the local prostitution ring. The police refuse to intervene in case they are accused of being 'racist.' White flight occurs, as white families who can afford to leave do so, leaving behind the poor and the elderly who feel like strangers in their own city. Usually the local church shuts and then next year the church building finds a new 'lease of life' as a local 'cultural community centre' or worse still, a mosque.

Then it is complete. In one generation the PC brigade has turned a working class community into the bastion of an ethnic minority. The inner city beomes a battle ground between Muslims against Hindus, and between Afro-Carribeans and African immigrants. The main political parties suddenly put up ethnic minority candidates at local elections, who easily get in if they can get their 'blocs' to vote for them. The main parties get so obsessed with attracting the ethnic vote that remaining white voters feel disenfranchised. Soon the only candidate with a western sounding name on their ballot paper, the only one who appeals to them is the bloody BNP candidate. That is the sorry reality of Britains inner cities today. And they wonder why people have had enough.

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I don't have a problem with multiculturalism per se; however, I do feel that we have been too accomodating and certain cultural minorities need to assimilate a bit more. As long as ethnic and white communities are 'divorced' from one another, there will always be socio-cultural or racial tensions

Dave