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« on: May 26, 2014, 11:22:01 AM »
« edited: May 26, 2014, 11:24:16 AM by This is the sound of the Enlightened's destruction »

Because I'm not seeing it. He's pissed off basically every subgroup of Democratic voters except for gays, and that's not enough.

Perhaps the key thing is he won't be getting any union support, which is kind of essential for a ground game in Democratic primaries, especially in caucuses.

Furthermore it's worth noting that he's not exactly exciting or charismatic either.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2014, 11:23:58 AM »

Wall Street cash. How else?
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2014, 11:29:23 AM »

He won't win it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2014, 11:37:14 AM »

Because I'm not seeing it. He's pissed off basically every subgroup of Democratic voters except for gays, and that's not enough.

Perhaps the key thing is he won't be getting any union support, which is kind of essential for a ground game in Democratic primaries, especially in caucuses.

Furthermore it's worth noting that he's not exactly exciting or charismatic either.
He's more charismatic than O'Malley, and I think he wins the nomination only if he can get Warner or Gillibrand to not run, and prove to primarty voters that he's more electable than O'Malley or Warren. He may be too DINO for the party though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2014, 12:10:55 PM »

If Hillary doesn't run and it's between Cuomo/O'Malley/Schweitzer he will definitely because of the money and organization he would have behind him.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2014, 12:39:28 PM »

I can see it. The candidates are Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick, Brian Schweitzer, and Bernie Sanders. Schweitzer wins Iowa but is unconvincing in many other states, and Deval Patrick and Joe Biden basically have an all out war in New Hampshire, allowing Andrew Cuomo swipes the state. It's between Schweitzer and Cuomo ultimately, and wall street obviously sides with Cuomo.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2014, 01:02:16 PM »

I'll take a stab at it. Not only does Hillary not run, a lot of other big names, including Gillibrand and Warner, also bow out. The field is Warren, O'Malley, Klobuchar, Biden, Schweitzer, Cuomo, and Webb. Cuomo's path here is pretty narrow. I'm ignoring the weight of any endorsements and assuming Cuomo can shed the fact that he comes across as kinda slimy.

1. He'll have to begin by making a left turn over the next 12-18 months.

2. Klobuchar is crowded out by Warren. She drops out after failing in IA and NH.

3. O'Malley wins the "most boring candidate" contest and drops out. He's got a solid liberal record, but he's ineffective in getting his message out. He's out after after NV.

4. In the days following Super Tuesday, after lagging in fundraising and splitting the "cowboy vote", Webb and Schweitzer see no path forward and both drop out.

5. A few more primaries follow and Biden is sinking quickly. He was the early favorite, but his 8 years in the White House have taken their toll, both politically and physically. After a combination of health scares, classic Biden gaffes, and an anti-Washington mood, the 73 year old VP who's been in DC for 42 years drops out of his final race, hoping to bow out gracefully instead of losing a long-drawn out nomination fight.

6. At this point, late in the game, only Cuomo and Warren remain. They'll duke it out Obama/Hillary style for the next few months. Cuomo's got big money behind him and hits Warren as both unelectable and bad for the economy. She's hoping to ride the liberal grassroots wave to the nomination and hits back that he's an establishment crony and corporatist. The race is tied when Warren shoots herself in the foot. She has her own "47%" moment. Cuomo takes this opportunity to define her as an out of touch professor who doesn't understand average Americans. She's clearly too inexperienced, having never run anything larger than a Senate office. She's clearly not prepared for the job, whereas he's an experienced executive who knows how to get things done. That's the final nail in the coffin. Warren drops out. Cuomo's got the nomination.
I don't know. I see it being Cuomo vs. O'Malley, because O'Malley will paint Cuomo as too DINo for the nation, but if O'Malley continues to be a charisma drain, some worried Democrats may turn to Cuomo.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2014, 02:40:12 PM »
« Edited: May 26, 2014, 02:42:27 PM by IceSpear »

It will take a combination of the strong candidates sitting out and well timed implosions. It's possible, but very unlikely.

Cuomo's only real advantage will be that he'll have mountains and mountains of Wall Street cash. Even the conservadems wouldn't really see him as one of them since he's a damn Yankee and signed gun control.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2014, 03:57:09 PM »

I don't like Cuomo, but it's easy to see how he wins the nomination.

Most people outside of New Yorkers and political junkies know very little about Cuomo's record. And I'm not sure that any of his policy betrayals or sellouts of the "base", what have you, can be simplified into a single issue as compelling as the Iraq vote or Romneycare.

A lot of activists will be participating in the primaries, but so will casual voters, particularly older Dems who remember Andrew's dad. They start out with the presumption that Mario Cuomo's son, Clinton's HUD secretary, the governor of a liberal state is probably a reasonably solid Democrat. They can be dissuaded from that, but he will not be laughed out of the race and will have lots of $$ and establishment backing to make his case.

It should also be noted that, for all the Elizabeth Warren buzz, there is definitely a (growing?) cohort of yuppie Dems that have Cuomoesque policy stances. This is especially true in a state like NH.

The bigger problem is definitely the lack of charisma and likability, especially when compared with his father. Abrasive Northeastern pols have been known to self-destruct recently (Giuliani, Christie).
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2014, 09:28:24 AM »

As a big state Governor and a former Clinton cabinet member, he has the appropriate stature. He also has tremendous access to fundraisers. He could run on accomplishment, probably after pushing a few more bills through amenable legislatures.

His best message would be of a centrist smart government approach to the country's problems, in contrast to the big government approach of more liberal candidates and no government approach of conservative and libertarian Republicans.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2014, 03:24:15 PM »

I can see it. The candidates are Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick, Brian Schweitzer, and Bernie Sanders. Schweitzer wins Iowa but is unconvincing in many other states, and Deval Patrick and Joe Biden basically have an all out war in New Hampshire, allowing Andrew Cuomo swipes the state. It's between Schweitzer and Cuomo ultimately, and wall street obviously sides with Cuomo.

It really makes me wish Hillary wouldn't run, just to see the drama play out. I would love to see Biden scratch and claw for the nomination as a major candidate.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2014, 05:54:20 PM »

Cuomo's best shot is against a weak field of Dems like O'Malley, Biden & Schweitzer but if people like Deval Patrick, Klobuchar or Warren start jumping in his chances are greatly reduced.
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