Democrats only: Which healthcare system do you like best?

[darklordoftech]

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Of those I'm familiar with, definitely the UK (although the NHS is badly underfunded right now).

[McNukes™ #NYCMMWasAHero]

I'm familiar with the Canadian, French, Dutch, British, Australian, Russian, and Austrian healthcare systems, in addition to those of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, and I have to say that the American one is the best.

[Lechasseur]

One of the continental European ones (they tend to be fairly similar to each other, and they're better than an NHS styled system and much much better than the American one, but I'm not sure if the exact differences between them). At any rate the French system is very good, I know it well and I'm very happy with it so I voted for that one.

And yes I voted because even if I tend to be conservative overall, on healthcare I'm a liberal Democrat.

[Lechasseur]

I'm familiar with the Canadian, French, Dutch, British, Australian, Russian, and Austrian healthcare systems, in addition to those of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, and I have to say that the American one is the best.

Lol no.

The US easily has the worst healthcare system of any first world country.

[NeverAgainsSock]

French is dubbed as the best in the world, but in terms of modeling - I like the Dutch.

[Kingpoleon]

I'm familiar with the Canadian, French, Dutch, British, Australian, Russian, and Austrian healthcare systems, in addition to those of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, and I have to say that the American one is the best.

Lol no.

The US easily has the worst healthcare system of any first world country.

I think it’s much easier to say “I like the status quo” rather than launching into a point-by-point break down of how to make healthcare cheaper, better, and more efficient. That’s the same reason most leftists like to say “Medicare For All”; “The French System;” instead of having to actually explain what they want. Most people on the left and right are too lazy to have fully expanded upon ideas.

[Orser67]

The New York Times had a pretty interesting article a couple years ago where experts compared different healthcare systems from developed countries.

I liked the sound of Germany's system, personally.

A majority of Germans (86 percent) get their coverage primarily though the national public system, with others choosing voluntary private health insurance. Most premiums for the public system are based on income and paid for by employers and employees, with subsidies available but capped at earnings of about $65,000. Patients have a lot of choice among doctors and hospitals, and cost sharing is quite low. It's capped for low-income people, reduced for care of those with chronic illnesses, and nonexistent for services to children. There are no subsidies for private health insurance, but the government regulates premiums, which can be higher for people with pre-existing conditions. Private insurers charge premiums on an actuarial basis when they first enroll a customer, and subsequently raise premiums only as a function of age — not health status. Most physicians work in a fee-for-service setting based on negotiated rates, and there are limits on what they can be paid annually.

[Santander]

Singapore

[Former President tack50]

Britain easily.

[Lechasseur]

Who cares, they're all better than the horrifyingly expensive employer-based coverage that we depend on here.

This

[RINO Tom]

One of the continental European ones (they tend to be fairly similar to each other, and they're better than an NHS styled system and much much better than the American one, but I'm not sure if the exact differences between them). At any rate the French system is very good, I know it well and I'm very happy with it so I voted for that one.

And yes I voted because even if I tend to be conservative overall, on healthcare I'm a liberal Democrat.

Lol, it sounds so goofy when people say “I’m a Democrat/Republican on Issue X.”

[Arturo Belano]

UK and Taiwan

[Omega21]

One of the continental European ones (they tend to be fairly similar to each other, and they're better than an NHS styled system and much much better than the American one, but I'm not sure if the exact differences between them). At any rate the French system is very good, I know it well and I'm very happy with it so I voted for that one.

And yes I voted because even if I tend to be conservative overall, on healthcare I'm a liberal Democrat.

Lol, it sounds so goofy when people say “I’m a Democrat/Republican on Issue X.”

He's only putting it in "American Terms", as most Europeans are not forced to choose between 2 parties and align themselves like you guys over there.

I would dare say 85-90% of Europeans are "Democrats" when it comes to healthcare, simply because leaving 20% (or whatever exact amount) of the population uninsured is a bit inhumane.

I'm not a big fan of handouts to people who chronically do not wish to work, but I think everyone who is sick deserves a fighting chance, without having to declare bankruptcy due to Medical Bills.

[Lechasseur]

One of the continental European ones (they tend to be fairly similar to each other, and they're better than an NHS styled system and much much better than the American one, but I'm not sure if the exact differences between them). At any rate the French system is very good, I know it well and I'm very happy with it so I voted for that one.

And yes I voted because even if I tend to be conservative overall, on healthcare I'm a liberal Democrat.

Lol, it sounds so goofy when people say “I’m a Democrat/Republican on Issue X.”

He's only putting it in "American Terms", as most Europeans are not forced to choose between 2 parties and align themselves like you guys over there.

I would dare say 85-90% of Europeans are "Democrats" when it comes to healthcare, simply because leaving 20% (or whatever exact amount) of the population uninsured is a bit inhumane.

I'm not a big fan of handouts to people who chronically do not wish to work, but I think everyone who is sick deserves a fighting chance, without having to declare bankruptcy due to Medical Bills.

Exactly this

[Tender Branson]

Switzerland, the Netherlands and Norway have the best healthcare systems in Europe:

https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2018/EHCI-2018-index-matrix-A3-sheet.pdf

https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2018/EHCI-2018-press-release.pdf

https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2018/EHCI-2018-report.pdf

[Tender Branson]

Some of those matrix indicators are a bit strange though ...

Austria gets a red thumbs down on abortion rates for example, Germany and Switzerland green - when in fact we have roughly the same rates of abortions.

Also, Austria gets green on suicide rates and Germany yellow - when in fact Germany has slightly lower suicide rates.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The New York Times had a pretty interesting article a couple years ago where experts compared different healthcare systems from developed countries.

just tagging parochial boy in this thread because I know he'll crack up at the NYT experts choosing Switzerland as the best health system in the world.

Do agree that germany has a pretty decent system, but I'll go for the NHS.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Smaller rich European nations tend to have the best healthcare system, so Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Austria and probably Finland and Iceland too i can imagine. Finland at least has the best education system.

This is one of the reasons why i'm a Democrat in general, because healthcare is a key issue to me, and is one of the issues i strongly disagree with Donald Trump. Although the healthcare plans a Klobuchar or Biden propose aren't necessarily an improvement over Trump's one. (maybe a bit) Obamacare wasn't perfect, but still better than no solution.

[parochial boy]

The New York Times had a pretty interesting article a couple years ago where experts compared different healthcare systems from developed countries.

just tagging parochial boy in this thread because I know he'll crack up at the NYT experts choosing Switzerland as the best health system in the world.

Do agree that germany has a pretty decent system, but I'll go for the NHS.

My bill from the last time I went to the doctor includes the line:

"review of file in absence of patient (<1 minute)" costing me the sum of 16 francs 56 centimes - which of course my insurance does not cover because it won't pay for any of my first 2'500 francs of medical costs.

What the actual f(ck is this?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The New York Times had a pretty interesting article a couple years ago where experts compared different healthcare systems from developed countries.

just tagging parochial boy in this thread because I know he'll crack up at the NYT experts choosing Switzerland as the best health system in the world.

Do agree that germany has a pretty decent system, but I'll go for the NHS.

My bill from the last time I went to the doctor includes the line:

"review of file in absence of patient (<1 minute)" costing me the sum of 16 francs 56 centimes - which of course my insurance does not cover because it won't pay for any of my first 2'500 francs of medical costs.

What the actual f(ck is this?

lolnyt

Probably an example of the American liberal pundit class' obsession with "wonkish" Rube Goldberg solutions over simple universal programs.

[KaiserDave]

I'm familiar with the Canadian, French, Dutch, British, Australian, Russian, and Austrian healthcare systems, in addition to those of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, and I have to say that the American one is the best.

You must not be American then. Cause...ummm. ahahahaha