SENATE BILL: Collective Bargaining Modernization Act of 2014 (Failed)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The idea that this would impact "small business" in a negative manner is kind of ridiculous, when you step back and realize that the only industries that this is really going to be applicable for is those in which 30 percent of workers are already organized. That's going to take quite some time to build that kind of union density in the muh mom and pop sector

Small businesses and large businesses often exist in the same industry.

And? If small businesses can't compete, they can't compete. The centralization boogeyman you keep bringing up here will only lead to better pay and benefits for workers, as well as a stronger overall economy. We can't compete globally if we have to handwring over mom and pop stores everytime policies that make it easier for us to compete globally are suggested.

I don't see anything in here that will lead to a stronger economy.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The reason we aren't competitive with other nations when it comes to manufacturing has nothing to do with benefits. It has to do with wages. Companies can produce goods cheaper in other countries like China and import them.

If anything, this bill will exacerbate the problem, not help it, and put a strain on our economy.

I am also leery of being the one that puts all of these small, local businesses out of business. Sure, they are a dying breed, but I'd prefer they die on their own and not because of a government policy.

The only saving grace is, how many industries have 30% union membership in Atlasia? Maybe none at all, I don't know, which would make this entire bill almost irrelevant.

In the USA, only the local governments have higher than a 30% unionization rate. In the private sector, no industry has over 25.6%, which means this bill would only put a strain on the government and no one else.

[TNF]

I'm looking in to getting you those numbers, but I can't without a GM. This bill makes nationwide industrial planning between private actors possible, which will help coordinate economic activity in a way that our ancient industrial relations schemes don't. I can live with an exemption for the public sector, but that's as far as I'm willing to go here. This bill is a step into the future.

[Sec. of State Superique]

Private Central planning will be a disaster , innovation will be reduce, competition will end and in the end we will have sort of a labor-corparativist complex taking over the economy. That won't have any good effect other than make our economy work like one very similar with the Fascist one. Competition and Innovation are key if we want to see more generation of wealth (and more wealth to be distributed!)and, if we empower so much the large guys of industry and from labor, those two things are gone.

Quiet frankly, industry-wide negotiation and giving the monopoly of negotiations for one union solely seems to me a very poor and bad planned idea. I'm ok with the strenghening of our unions but this bill goes in a very terrible way, even in a Marxist perspective. This idea is so bad and authoritarian that universal unionization (something I do not endorse either) would look better; at least people would be able to choose their unions...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I had hoped that some form of modernizing this process could be possible but it seesm that such can only be done in a way that further concentrates resources into the hands of the few and I think we should be going in the opposite direction.

[TNF]

I had hoped that some form of modernizing this process could be possible but it seesm that such can only be done in a way that further concentrates resources into the hands of the few and I think we should be going in the opposite direction.

Translation: Archaic piecemeal collective bargaining is fine, we have to preserve inefficient small businesses! muh mom and pop stores

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In its current form, unless union membership is substantially higher in Atlasia than in the USA, the bill will affect no industry at all. Vetoing it or passing it will have the same effect on our economy.

[Sec. of State Superique]

In its current form, unless union membership is substantially higher in Atlasia than in the USA, the bill will affect no industry at all. Vetoing it or passing it will have the same effect on our economy.

The potential is what counts and we will certainly find out industrial sectors where this will certainly happen. But it's kind of funny watching TNF march against small business and sort of supporting oligopolies.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I had hoped that some form of modernizing this process could be possible but it seesm that such can only be done in a way that further concentrates resources into the hands of the few and I think we should be going in the opposite direction.

Translation: Archaic piecemeal collective bargaining is fine, we have to preserve inefficient small businesses! muh mom and pop stores

Economic consolidation has always led to job losses as unnecessary and reduntant positions are shed also, more efficient technology is brought in by the new company causing even more loses, that otherwise would be delayed.

I find it odd that a Laborite is more concerned with economic efficiency then well laborers having a job.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This vote ends in about eleven hours.

[TNF]

I had hoped that some form of modernizing this process could be possible but it seesm that such can only be done in a way that further concentrates resources into the hands of the few and I think we should be going in the opposite direction.

Translation: Archaic piecemeal collective bargaining is fine, we have to preserve inefficient small businesses! muh mom and pop stores

Economic consolidation has always led to job losses as unnecessary and reduntant positions are shed also, more efficient technology is brought in by the new company causing even more loses, that otherwise would be delayed.

I find it odd that a Laborite is more concerned with economic efficiency then well laborers having a job.

Small businesses are *far* more exploitative than large industry. Higher wages for everyone (as authorized by the planning mechanisms in this bill) will create jobs that would mop up the unemployment that might result from the decline of inefficient small mom and pop operations.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I had hoped that some form of modernizing this process could be possible but it seesm that such can only be done in a way that further concentrates resources into the hands of the few and I think we should be going in the opposite direction.

Translation: Archaic piecemeal collective bargaining is fine, we have to preserve inefficient small businesses! muh mom and pop stores

Economic consolidation has always led to job losses as unnecessary and reduntant positions are shed also, more efficient technology is brought in by the new company causing even more loses, that otherwise would be delayed.

I find it odd that a Laborite is more concerned with economic efficiency then well laborers having a job.

Small businesses are *far* more exploitative than large industry. Higher wages for everyone (as authorized by the planning mechanisms in this bill) will create jobs that would mop up the unemployment that might result from the decline of inefficient small mom and pop operations.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean, but I highly doubt small businesses (even using the RL legal definition) are as exploitive as big business.  For example, I don't think a mom and pop grocery store even has the ability to pull the kind of crap a Walmart gets away with on a daily basis.  I also want to clarify something (I'm not saying you're doing this, but I just want to make sure), are you implying that it is a good thing if this bill shuts down small businesses/mom-and-pop stores?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Final Passage of thE Collective Bargaining Modernization Act of 2014:

Aye (5): bore, Mr. X, Talleyrand, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (5): DC al Fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee and shua
Abstain (0):

Didn't VOte (0):

With five votes in the affirmative and five votes in the negative with time having expired, the VP can break the tie, close the vote and proceed accordingly (if aye, present to the President).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah matt?

[Sopranos Republican]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This bill has failed to achieve passage.