Why is the GOP so fixated with Socialism?

[Landslide Lyndon]

There's maybe less than 2% difference between Bernie Sanders and  Obama if you go down the list of issue by issue. 

Take a look at the Occupy movement and the left's growing trash talking of "corporations." It's very troubling.

Go away troll.

[CountryClassSF]

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That's easy. Dems had much less political capital after Bush's re-election, around the time when Obama promised to finish out a full term in the Senate, good times.

Democrats gained enormous political capital in 2006, and that's when his voting record reflected his beliefs.

I do believe, also, Obama advocated a single payer system at one point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

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You're calling me a troll because I said I disagreed with Occupy and the left's negativity towards corporations, and comparing Sanders and Obama's voting record. I mean, really?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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That's easy. Dems had much less political capital after Bush's re-election, around the time when Obama promised to finish out a full term in the Senate, good times.

Democrats gained enormous political capital in 2006, and that's when his voting record reflected his beliefs.

I do believe, also, Obama advocated a single payer system at one point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

I've never denied Obama would support a single payer system; but that doesn't mean his single payer is the same as Sanders.

And what does the Democrats' political capital have anything to do with Obama's voting record?

[CountryClassSF]

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I guess the better question to ask is how Obama is not a socialist? What policies has he embraced that promote capitalism?

His voting record shifted to his hard-left Chicago roots as soon as it were politically feasible.

He's got to be the only human being in America who was pro-gay marriage before he was against it before he was for it.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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I guess the better question to ask is how Obama is not a socialist? What policies has he embraced that promote capitalism?

His voting record shifted to his hard-left Chicago roots as soon as it were politically feasible.

He's got to be the only human being in America who was pro-gay marriage before he was against it before he was for it.

No, no, no... you made the claim; now back it up.  Don't try to shift the burden of proof now.

[CountryClassSF]

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if you don't think the policies Obama supports (redistribution of wealth, taxing corps like crazy, endless social engineering/racial quotas) is socialism, I don't know how you can call yourself a Republican.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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if you don't think the policies Obama supports (redistribution of wealth, taxing corps like crazy, endless social engineering/racial quotas) is socialism, I don't know how you can call yourself a Republican.

Two points:

1. Addressing your last post - even if Obama has not done anything to promote capitalism, this does not mean he is a socialist.  If we assume that America is made up of 75% capitalistic and 25% socialistic policies, Obama not pushing for more capitalism does not make him a socialist; perhaps he simply believes the status quo is appropriate.  Perhaps he believes it should be 70%-30%, but still in favor of capitalism.
2. Your new post.  You again have failed to give any evidence to support your claim and have now resorted to attacking my Republicanism.  I am a Republican because I believe in a majority of the things the party platform stands for.  I see nothing in that platform that says anything about having to believe that Obama is a socialist.

Also, taxing corporations "like crazy" and racial quotas are not per se socialist concepts, so those policies are irrelevant here.

[CountryClassSF]

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It sounds like you think Obama's a pretty swell guy. The country is ashambles because of his socialist health care policy and wealth redistribution. What about his bailouts? How are these not characteristics of a marxist socialist regime?  It's too bad that strategy didn't work so hot for Mitt and McC.

If you want a conservative movement in this country you have to speak the hard truths about the views of the Obama Dems....

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Better lock this thread, OP.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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It sounds like you think Obama's a pretty swell guy. The country is ashambles because of his socialist health care policy and wealth redistribution. What about his bailouts? How are these not characteristics of a marxist socialist regime?  It's too bad that strategy didn't work so hot for Mitt and McC.

If you want a conservative movement in this country you have to speak the hard truths about the views of the Obama Dems....

Simply because I disagree with you that Obama is a socialist does not mean I think he's a "pretty swell guy".  The country is hardly in shambles, and as you'll recall, McCain and Bush supported the bailouts as well; are they socialists?

[CountryClassSF]

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Other than the service to his nation, McCain is no better than Obama politically in my judgment. Bush was much better because atleast he loved the country and put good judges on the bench, but he was a big spender.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Other than the service to his nation, McCain is no better than Obama politically in my judgment. Bush was much better because atleast he loved the country and put good judges on the bench, but he was a big spender.

Huh... I would've figured you'd hate Bush for the Roberts nomination.

[CountryClassSF]

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Maybe I'm wrong... but I think you've bought into this liberal characterization of tea partiers and social conservatives.

No one saw what Roberts did  on Obamacare coming.  To blame Bush for that would be sheer stupidity.

The only issues I took with George W. Bush were him trying to push amnesty and the bailouts. That's like 2 issues I disagree with.
  he otherwise put some of my favorite jurists on the courts such as Janice Rodgers Brown and Priscilla Owen and Sam Alito.
He also tried to get Miguel Estrada on the court.
He had the best of intentions as President, and I miss him.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Maybe I'm wrong... but I think you've bought into this liberal characterization of tea partiers and social conservatives.

No one saw what Roberts did  on Obamacare coming.  To blame Bush for that would be sheer stupidity.

The only issues I took with George W. Bush were him trying to push amnesty and the bailouts. That's like 2 issues I disagree with.
  he otherwise put some of my favorite jurists on the courts such as Janice Rodgers Brown and Priscilla Owen and Sam Alito.
He also tried to get Miguel Estrada on the court.
He had the best of intentions as President, and I miss him.

He was a big spender before the bailouts....

[retromike22]

It sounds like you think Obama's a pretty swell guy. The country is ashambles because of his socialist health care policy and wealth redistribution. What about his bailouts? How are these not characteristics of a marxist socialist regime?  It's too bad that strategy didn't work so hot for Mitt and McC.

If you want a conservative movement in this country you have to speak the hard truths about the views of the Obama Dems....

1. The Obama Administration has mandated that Americans buy their health care from a private company. How is that socialist? You should be happy because the private health care companies now have more customers, and the consumers have more freedom to make better choices. Point: If the Obama Administration enrolled every American into Medicare and eliminated all private health care providers, then that would be socialist.

2. A bailout is a loan, not nationalization. Nationalization is a defining characteristic of socialism. A loan was provided to General Motors, a private company to help it survive the recession. The loan has been paid off and General Motors has survived. Point: If the Obama Administration seized ownership of General Motors, seized all its finances, run it as a federal agency like the U.S. Postal Service and renamed it "United States Federal Car Company" then that would be socialist.

I guess the better question to ask is how Obama is not a socialist? What policies has he embraced that promote capitalism?

See above. If Obama's a socialist, then he is a very bad one at that. If you believe his policies on health care and the bailouts are socialist, then you have a very bad understanding of socialism.

[CountryClassSF]

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What kind of Republicans do you actually support and go to bat for?

[Landslide Lyndon]

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What kind of Republicans do you actually support and go to bat for?

Let's hope not dumb hypocrites.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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What kind of Republicans do you actually support and go to bat for?

I'm merely pointing out that a few posts ago you said you didn't like his big spending, and then you said you only disagreed with him on 2 things.  You can't seem to get your own beliefs straight.

[CountryClassSF]

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The bailouts and spending policies are basically the same thing to me.

[SWE]

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Well, on health care, I'm fairly certain Obama would have done single payer if it were politically feasible. Reid admitted as such...

Phrases such as "fairly certain" and "if" aren't exactly convincing.  I'd like to see you quantitatively back up the less than 2% claim.

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/voteratings/

Obama himself before he was annointed by Dem Superdelegates and caucus goers to the WH, had the #1 liberal record in the Senate, only overtaken by Sanders afterwards. Their views couldn't be more similar.

Sanders has the luxury of running in a state that's political demographics are pretty much like San Francisco's. Obama's got the whole country and the wider electorate to worry about.

You didn't see where Harry Reid said they wanted to do single payer?

This the same National journal review that rated John McCain most conservative senator?

And if Obama has anything in common with Sanders, then over the last five years he's refused to show it

[Hnv1]

Socialism is dead? I recommend you step out of your American shell and behold what happenning in South America\Europe\and other places where young people are rallied again around red banners.
Old school communism is dead but the world will see a new brand of Marxism eventually (I assume to counter the liberterian trend)

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Because as this thread shows, because most Republicans wouldn't have a clue what real socialism was if it came up and bit them. It's one of the most abused and willingly misunderstood definitions in political economy - if the state doesn't own the means of production, then it's not genuine socialism... be quiet until you actually understand the term you're using.

[Phony Moderate]

If supporting single-payer makes one a communist, then the U.S. lost the Cold War.

[IceSpear]

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Well, on health care, I'm fairly certain Obama would have done single payer if it were politically feasible. Reid admitted as such...

Phrases such as "fairly certain" and "if" aren't exactly convincing.  I'd like to see you quantitatively back up the less than 2% claim.

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/voteratings/

Obama himself before he was annointed by Dem Superdelegates and caucus goers to the WH, had the #1 liberal record in the Senate, only overtaken by Sanders afterwards. Their views couldn't be more similar.

Sanders has the luxury of running in a state that's political demographics are pretty much like San Francisco's. Obama's got the whole country and the wider electorate to worry about.

You didn't see where Harry Reid said they wanted to do single payer?

Voting record doesn't mean anything. It's not like the Senate was voting on single payer or any other leftist issues where Obama and Sanders would vote differently. Obviously they're going to be united in opposing the Frist/Bush agenda.

[Zioneer]

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I guess the better question to ask is how Obama is not a socialist? What policies has he embraced that promote capitalism?

His voting record shifted to his hard-left Chicago roots as soon as it were politically feasible.

He's got to be the only human being in America who was pro-gay marriage before he was against it before he was for it.

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if you don't think the policies Obama supports (redistribution of wealth, taxing corps like crazy, endless social engineering/racial quotas) is socialism, I don't know how you can call yourself a Republican.

You really don't know what socialism is. Obama is in no way a socialist. Wanting to return to 1990s tax levels is not socialism. Wanting to address the problems of minimum wage earners is not socialism. Obamacare itself is literally an old 90s Heritage Foundation plan to avoid Hillarycare. So what exactly has Obama done to make him a socialist?