OK restaurant won’t serve ‘freaks,’ ‘f*ggots,’ the disabled, welfare recipients

[Paul Kemp]

Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

No but you may want to see a professional.

[Хahar 🤔]

Shut the restaurant down, throw him in jail.

A little extreme? I mean, aside from a few very offended people, what harm has he caused (financial, reputational or physical)?

What harm does discrimination ever cause to anyone?

Hurt feelings. If that was a crime, we'd all be in jail.

Why, yes, that is the sort of thing a white person would say.

Way to contradict yourself.

I don't understand where I could have contradicted myself, unless you completely missed the point of my rhetorical question. That's probably the case, actually.

[pbrower2a]

The usual homophobe finds plenty of false positives -- let us say the 'lesbian trapped in a male body' who is about as straight as anyone could be.

By the way -- bigots are freaks, at least in holding onto beliefs both contrarian and pointless.

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Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

I really, really wanted to write some crude remark in response to this, but I know that's neither helpful nor will it allow you to see things in a different way, so I won't.

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

I wasn’t talking about larger societal problems. I am not talking about the fact that black people can’t walk down my street without the neighbors getting suspicious, or that black people are afraid of interacting with the police, or afraid of being shot for being in “the wrong neighborhood” for no reason what so ever. Those are problems that need to be addressed. Racism didn’t die with the CRA, and it is never going to die. So instead of punishing ignorant people like this restaurant owner in Oklahoma, why don’t we talk about the actual problems, like the War on Drugs.

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Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

I wasn’t talking about larger societal problems. I am not talking about the fact that black people can’t walk down my street without the neighbors getting suspicious, or that black people are afraid of interacting with the police, or afraid of being shot for being in “the wrong neighborhood” for no reason what so ever. Those are problems that need to be addressed. Racism didn’t die with the CRA, and it is never going to die. So instead of punishing ignorant people like this restaurant owner in Oklahoma, why don’t we talk about the actual problems, like the War on Drugs.

Okay we will be gentle with you.  Please read up on the interstate commerce clause and why it is important to African Americans and the Civil Rights Movement.  It will make for a nice Black History Month activity.



It's amazing in 2014 we still have to argue with Republicans about this stuff.  But yes of course Obama got 99% of the black vote because, you know, blacks are racist.

[MaxQue]

Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

I wasn’t talking about larger societal problems. I am not talking about the fact that black people can’t walk down my street without the neighbors getting suspicious, or that black people are afraid of interacting with the police, or afraid of being shot for being in “the wrong neighborhood” for no reason what so ever. Those are problems that need to be addressed. Racism didn’t die with the CRA, and it is never going to die. So instead of punishing ignorant people like this restaurant owner in Oklahoma, why don’t we talk about the actual problems, like the War on Drugs.

Because humans are obviously too dumb and limited to tackle multiple issues at the same time?

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Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

Behold.


New York.


Detroit.


San Diego.


Chicago.

Is forced segregation gone?  Yes.  De facto segregation is alive and well and those separations still have meaning to them.  These maps may not be racist in and of themselves, but they illustrate an ongoing problem.

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I obviously don't disagree with you that these issues need to be addressed, but simply enforcing a decades-old law by prosecuting the owner of this restaurant hardly distracts from them.  He may not be the cause of the problem, but he is a symptom of it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

I wasn’t talking about larger societal problems. I am not talking about the fact that black people can’t walk down my street without the neighbors getting suspicious, or that black people are afraid of interacting with the police, or afraid of being shot for being in “the wrong neighborhood” for no reason what so ever. Those are problems that need to be addressed. Racism didn’t die with the CRA, and it is never going to die. So instead of punishing ignorant people like this restaurant owner in Oklahoma, why don’t we talk about the actual problems, like the War on Drugs.

Because humans are obviously too dumb and limited to tackle multiple issues at the same time?

You really think this guy in Oklahoma is as big of a problem as the justice system sends a young black male to prison for twenty years for a crime that I would only be fined for? You think this one single individual in Oklahoma is as damaging to the self esteem of African Americans as the justice system?

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You really think this guy in Oklahoma is as big of a problem as the justice system sends a young black male to prison for twenty years for a crime that I would only be fined for? You think this one single individual in Oklahoma is as damaging to the self esteem of African Americans as the justice system?

Why do you keep saying the government can't address both?  So if they enforce the interstate commerce clause the way they have been for decades that means they can't reform the "War on Drugs"?!  Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

I mean a straight forward interstate commerce clause case is pretty easy to prosecute.

[SteveRogers]

Cool. I'm stressed out because I have been trying to build relationships with certain classmates and seem only to be scorned. Should I have them thrown in jail for "stressing me" out?

Sanchez, to put it bluntly, institutionalized racism is far more damaging to people than you not being able to get along with your peers.  Now I'm willing to guess, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, that you live in a pleasant, fairly affluent, fairly tame neighborhood with all things considered.  Not all people have that luxury, and if you happen to be non-white, chances of you enjoying that are quite slim.  Surely you can understand that living in an environment where social and economic conditions are hostile to your kind is a bit different than what you experience?  After all, blacks have to deal with the exact same social pressures as you, plus the stigmas that are associated with race.

I see you didn't read the last paragraph of my last post. A restaurant owner in Oklahoma is not part of "institutionalized racism." African Americans in my neighborhood (btw, I live on a quiet, almost exclusively white street that happens to be in the heart of the African American corner of my town) and I don’t see any “whites only” locations. I don’t see African Americans sitting in segregated I-HOPs. This form of racism is largely dead.

I wasn’t talking about larger societal problems. I am not talking about the fact that black people can’t walk down my street without the neighbors getting suspicious, or that black people are afraid of interacting with the police, or afraid of being shot for being in “the wrong neighborhood” for no reason what so ever. Those are problems that need to be addressed. Racism didn’t die with the CRA, and it is never going to die. So instead of punishing ignorant people like this restaurant owner in Oklahoma, why don’t we talk about the actual problems, like the War on Drugs.

Because humans are obviously too dumb and limited to tackle multiple issues at the same time?

You really think this guy in Oklahoma is as big of a problem as the justice system sends a young black male to prison for twenty years for a crime that I would only be fined for? You think this one single individual in Oklahoma is as damaging to the self esteem of African Americans as the justice system?

No, I think he's saying that the government should do both. Obviously?

Absent evidence of some trade-off, saying "we shouldn't do X because Y is a much bigger problem" is not a valid form of argument.

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No, I think he's saying that the government should do both. Obviously?

Absent evidence of some trade-off, saying "we shouldn't do X because Y is a much bigger problem" is not a valid form of argument.

I'm not really sure what he is saying.  To me prosecuting simple interstate commerce clause cases is the low hanging fruit.  It really shouldn't be debated... or even discussed.  Restaurateurs like this guy were at the very center of the storm during the Civil Rights movement.  No one is saying one guy banning black people from their restaurant is an issue the Federal Government should get involved in.  And if that is all that ever happened there would never have been enforcement of the interstate commerce clause.  But once you let one crazy person do it then 10 more crazy people will come out of the wood work and so on.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

You really think this guy in Oklahoma is as big of a problem as the justice system sends a young black male to prison for twenty years for a crime that I would only be fined for? You think this one single individual in Oklahoma is as damaging to the self esteem of African Americans as the justice system?

Why do you keep saying the government can't address both?  So if they enforce the interstate commerce clause the way they have been for decades that means they can't reform the "War on Drugs"?!  Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

I mean a straight forward interstate commerce clause case is pretty easy to prosecute.

But what would prosecuting him really do? Besides pissing off every other racist? We could do both, but it seems to me that making an example out of this guy would be a convenient excuse to ignore the actually serious issues.

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But what would prosecuting him really do? Besides pissing off every other racist? We could do both, but it seems to me that making an example out of this guy would be a convenient excuse to ignore the actually serious issues.

How is following the law "making an example out of this guy"?  The question is why do you feel so compelled to give this racist a free pass?  The average person on the street knows unless you open a private club you cannot broadly say I do not serve black people or you get shut down by the feds.  What exactly is your problem with that?

Are you one of those people who feels "singled out" when the highway patrol gives you a ticket for going 80 mph in a 60 mph zone?  It's the law.  It's not obscure and it's been used thousands of times across the country for decades.  Hardly what I would call "being singled out."

[SteveRogers]

You really think this guy in Oklahoma is as big of a problem as the justice system sends a young black male to prison for twenty years for a crime that I would only be fined for? You think this one single individual in Oklahoma is as damaging to the self esteem of African Americans as the justice system?

Why do you keep saying the government can't address both?  So if they enforce the interstate commerce clause the way they have been for decades that means they can't reform the "War on Drugs"?!  Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

I mean a straight forward interstate commerce clause case is pretty easy to prosecute.

But what would prosecuting him really do? Besides pissing off every other racist? We could do both, but it seems to me that making an example out of this guy would be a convenient excuse to ignore the actually serious issues.

Oh no. Wouldn't want to do that.