MSNBC Makes Fun of Romney's Adopted Black Grandson

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Is MHP the left's Anne Coulter?

She has a PhD from Duke and was a professor at Princeton...

and coulter went to cornell... which isn't to say shes like ann coulter at all but rather that your point is rather silly.

Getting a BA from Cornell and going to law school is not comparable to attaining a PhD and being a professor as I'm sure PhD students can confirm.

Ok maybe this will be more simple for you, but there are people with PHDs who think like ann coulter. being a professor doesn't give you free pass for saying or thinking stupid sh**t.

Did I ever say that or even imply that? If the content on MHP's show or her statements don't even come close to the baseless drivel purported by Ann Coulter, this is reflective of her role in academia. I'd say that same about Rachel Maddow.

Obviously academics can be sophists or morons. They certainly have a tendency to be tone deaf but I don't think I'm mistaken to point out that MHP is of a different caliber than Coulter partially because of the credentials she has earned.

I'm standing firm in defending this because the right increasingly has an aesthetic bent against anything that reeks of scholarly substance. In fact, I'd say that the defending characteristic of widely-consumed right-wing punditry is its lack of intellectual honesty or vigor.

[LeBron]

The comment is kind of disrespectful, and I'm glad MHP was nice enough to apologize for it, but the Romney family isn't going to fool me in attempting to get people to believe that they can outreach to African Americans just because of this. I'm still giving MSNBC the benefit of the doubt here because they clearly didn't mean any harm by it.

Outreach? Assuming that this is outreach is the problem! The Romney family wants to be a family. It would also be nice for them to live without some pseudo "intellectual" b*tch like Melisa Harris Perry making judgments on their family. That “apology” over Twitter was nothing more than half assed and forced by the company bigwigs afraid of another Martin Bashir incident.
   
Fox may be filled with idiots who are incapable of forming original thoughts and do nothing but throw red meat to the base, but MSNNC (with the exception of Rachel Maddow, who is awesome) is increasingly becoming an even worse channel. With the exception of Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews (who are just like their Fox counterparts-fat, red faced, white, and loud) MSNBC is comprised of increasingly psychotic, vain, snide, self styled academics who fill every Conservative stereotype possible.

If the Romney's wanted to be a loving family, they shouldn't have entered a Presidential race when they knew it would affect them politically and personally. Romney knew the Tea Party would control the Republican nominee's every movement including coming off as racist. And also, wasn't it the likes of Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz who all advocated 1st Amendment rights over the Phil Robertson debacle to which the non-Looney Tunes right-wing didn't say anything? Basically what they want is for their right-wing folk to be able to say whatever they want without reprimand while if the left-wing says anything they might find offensive, then they'll jump like sharks to try and get them fired. The difference between the likes of Perry (or O'Donnell) and Robertson is that those 2 news hosts actually don't abuse their freedom of speech because they can really say whatever they want as long as it isn't offensive and they back their statements up with facts. Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts, yet Robertson full-out lied about how African Americans were "happy" before civil rights and even went as far as to call gays "evil murderers" which aren't even close to realistic. So conservatives should be glad that Perry even apologized because it's nowhere even close to as extreme and disrespectful as Phil Robertson's comments were which he's yet to apologize for. Some of it also tells me it's also based off of who runs the networks. A&E doesn't have the spine to cancel Duck Dynasty because it would kill the ratings, but MSNBC has proved over time that they won't tolerate anything their hosts may say or do.

Also, say what you about Ed Schultz or Chris Matthews, but Schultz, who yes is very vocal, starts every show of his on the weekdays by the monitor and he takes facts from several sources that flash by on there whether it's on unemployment benefits or a raise in the minimum wage and goes based off that. With Matthews, I don't really see how you could be against him considering he actually likes Reagan/Thatcher and wrote a book recently promoting Congress take part in the same bipartisan efforts of the 1980s.

[Zioneer]

Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts,

No, no he didn't. Lawrence O'Donnell was either lying or misinterpreting most of his facts.

[LeBron]

Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts,

No, no he didn't. Lawrence O'Donnell was either lying or misinterpreting most of his facts.

Not really. During primary season, he showed a Gallup poll (which is accurate) that showed 22% of voters would not vote for a Mormon candidate to prove that he wasn't alone in the anti-Romney coalition. He also isn't wrong either in saying that Mormonism used to be a racist and sexist religion and those still are the views held by a small minority of Mormons. I'm a strong supporter of O'Donnell, his MSNBC show, and his strong and great outreach to African American students and I find absolutely nothing wrong with his comments morally, politically or factually.

[Zioneer]

Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts,

No, no he didn't. Lawrence O'Donnell was either lying or misinterpreting most of his facts.

Not really. During primary season, he showed a Gallup poll (which is accurate) that showed 22% of voters would not vote for a Mormon candidate to prove that he wasn't alone in the anti-Romney coalition. He also isn't wrong either in saying that Mormonism used to be a racist and sexist religion and those still are the views held by a small minority of Mormons. I'm a strong supporter of O'Donnell, his MSNBC show, and his strong and great outreach to African American students and I find absolutely nothing wrong with his comments morally, politically or factually.

Well yeah, the Gallup poll is accurate, and the point about how Mormonism used to kind of racist and sexist is a legitimate arguement, but O'Donnell was saying that Mormonism was made up "so Joseph Smith could have sex with his maid" and that "it continues to be a racist religion". He also freaked out on Romney multiple times based solely on his religion.

And O'Donnell gets actually quite angry about Mormonism; here's a list of videos.

[Zioneer]

Melissa Harris-Perry broke down in tears during her apology; I think she's genuine, especially since she's noted that Kieran Romney is a situation very close to her own.

[Mechaman]

Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts,

No, no he didn't. Lawrence O'Donnell was either lying or misinterpreting most of his facts.

Not really. During primary season, he showed a Gallup poll (which is accurate) that showed 22% of voters would not vote for a Mormon candidate to prove that he wasn't alone in the anti-Romney coalition. He also isn't wrong either in saying that Mormonism used to be a racist and sexist religion and those still are the views held by a small minority of Mormons. I'm a strong supporter of O'Donnell, his MSNBC show, and his strong and great outreach to African American students and I find absolutely nothing wrong with his comments morally, politically or factually.

Well yeah, the Gallup poll is accurate, and the point about how Mormonism used to kind of racist and sexist is a legitimate arguement, but O'Donnell was saying that Mormonism was made up "so Joseph Smith could have sex with his maid" and that "it continues to be a racist religion". He also freaked out on Romney multiple times based solely on his religion.

And O'Donnell gets actually quite angry about Mormonism; here's a list of videos.

Holy lord, you know a guy is going off the diving board when Pat Buchanan is the voice of reason in a debate.

I find it sad that a guy like O'Donnell, whose ancestors probably faced vicious anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry, would go out of his way to viciously insult someone's choice of religion.  Sure, he used facts, but so did the people who once argued that Hibernians had a natural tendency towards crime and that Catholic Americans had more allegiance to the Pope than their country.

Now, I'm no Mormon.  I've never advocated that someone should become a Mormon.  However, I should note that despite what the religious texts of the religion may say, and it's various controversial stances throughout the ages, it's managed to get liberal minded people like Zioneer and others involved.  I knew several Mormons in high school, they were pretty liberal.  There must be something about that religion, something good, that it can draw people of all politics together.  Something that transcends the five wives thing or the statements about black people.

One last note to the people on here who like to bash Mormonism because of the crazy things that their texts say: You are aware that the Bible, the Koran, Bagagdava Vida or whatever the hell it's called, etc etc etc, all also have crazy things in them that a lot of their followers (at least in the US) don't follow?  I mean when was the last time you heard an evangelical christian advocate for the repeal of statutory rape laws?  I went to a Mosque once and the Imam (somebody correct me if that's the wrong term) in a Q&A session told us how misrepresented the idea of Sharia Law is in the United States as some sexist misogynist law when in reality it is just a sort of moral and religious code that deals more with diet, hygiene, tithing, and other similar issues.

I mean seriously.

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I mean when was the last time you heard an evangelical christian advocate for the repeal of statutory rape laws?

A few days ago...

I went to a Mosque once and the Imam (somebody correct me if that's the wrong term) in a Q&A session told us how misrepresented the idea of Sharia Law is in the United States as some sexist misogynist law when in reality it is just a sort of moral and religious code that deals more with diet, hygiene, tithing, and other similar issues.

a) What did you expect him to say?
b) How is that proof of anything?

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Melissa Harris-Perry broke down in tears during her apology; I think she's genuine, especially since she's noted that Kieran Romney is a situation very close to her own.

It was also clearly noted in the fifth post of this thread, but when people want to push the right wing attack narrative the facts are the first victim.  Just ask Shirley Sherrod.

See the thing is I've actually seen Melissa Harris Perry's show and I knew she couldn't be making fun of a black child born into a white Mormon family because she would be making fun of herself.  I knew there was some alternative explanation.  It's her show and she created an situation, even if it was unintentional, that her guests thought they could say what they did.  But what transpired is not the narrative the right wing concern trolls hoped.

I wake up to her every Saturday, actually.  To be fair, I fall in and out of sleep, but if I have to hear one more segment about how racism is permanently seared into every single aspect of American culture or how professors are a discriminated class, my head will explode.

Melissa Harris Perry is on at 10am in Florida.  You are falling in and out of sleep at 10am?!  That's pretty bizarre.

Even more bizarre is you wanting us to believe you start at least one day a week every week with two hours of MSNBC viewing.  Even the most die hard liberal on this forum doesn't do that... and MSNBC has the ratings to prove it.  Just such a strange thing to say.

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I wake up to her every Saturday, actually.  To be fair, I fall in and out of sleep, but if I have to hear one more segment about how racism is permanently seared into every single aspect of American culture or how professors are a discriminated class, my head will explode.

Melissa Harris Perry is on at 10am in Florida.  You are falling in and out of sleep at 10am?!  That's pretty bizarre.

Even more bizarre is you wanting us to believe you start at least one day a week every week with two hours of MSNBC viewing.  Even the most die hard liberal on this forum doesn't do that... and MSNBC has the ratings to prove it.  Just such a strange thing to say.

Teenage Male +Christmas Break+Weekend=Sleep from 3:00 AM to 12:00 PM . MSNBC (or CSPAN) is almost always on when I fall asleep on Saturday nights, so I wake up to it on. I watch for twenty minute segments but the subjects (especially the Feminism) causes me to fall back asleep if I don't get out of bed. I watch about an hour of the show in bits and pieces.

[DrScholl]

Maybe the Romneys should stop looking for attention? Mitt Romney lost the election, I don't understand why he is still seeking publicity.

How was the Romney family looking for attention? By posting a family photo on Facebook or wherever the MSNBC crew found this? I'm sure McCain and Kerry have taken family photos since losing.

Shouldn't family photos be private? There's no reason it needed to be on Facebook. Besides, for the past year, Romney has given interviews, lamenting his loss, whereas McCain and Kerry didn't really do that.

[Zioneer]

Perry didn't in this case, but O'Donnell backed up his anti-Mormon statements with great facts,

No, no he didn't. Lawrence O'Donnell was either lying or misinterpreting most of his facts.

Not really. During primary season, he showed a Gallup poll (which is accurate) that showed 22% of voters would not vote for a Mormon candidate to prove that he wasn't alone in the anti-Romney coalition. He also isn't wrong either in saying that Mormonism used to be a racist and sexist religion and those still are the views held by a small minority of Mormons. I'm a strong supporter of O'Donnell, his MSNBC show, and his strong and great outreach to African American students and I find absolutely nothing wrong with his comments morally, politically or factually.

Well yeah, the Gallup poll is accurate, and the point about how Mormonism used to kind of racist and sexist is a legitimate arguement, but O'Donnell was saying that Mormonism was made up "so Joseph Smith could have sex with his maid" and that "it continues to be a racist religion". He also freaked out on Romney multiple times based solely on his religion.

And O'Donnell gets actually quite angry about Mormonism; here's a list of videos.

Holy lord, you know a guy is going off the diving board when Pat Buchanan is the voice of reason in a debate.

I find it sad that a guy like O'Donnell, whose ancestors probably faced vicious anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry, would go out of his way to viciously insult someone's choice of religion.  Sure, he used facts, but so did the people who once argued that Hibernians had a natural tendency towards crime and that Catholic Americans had more allegiance to the Pope than their country.

Now, I'm no Mormon.  I've never advocated that someone should become a Mormon.  However, I should note that despite what the religious texts of the religion may say, and it's various controversial stances throughout the ages, it's managed to get liberal minded people like Zioneer and others involved.  I knew several Mormons in high school, they were pretty liberal.  There must be something about that religion, something good, that it can draw people of all politics together.  Something that transcends the five wives thing or the statements about black people.

Thanks for those comments in my defense, Mechaman/Flawless Victory. While I don't get offended as much by secular types trying to mischaracterize me and my religion, it's still somewhat hurtful. Lawrence O'Donnell's rage-fueled rants are the most hurtful, to be honest. After that, evangelical accusations of Mormons being cultists is the second worst.

As a side note, Mormons outside of Utah (and somewhat secular-minded Mormons like myself) tend to be a lot more chilled out and moderate socially and politically than most Utah Mormons. So there are a lot of bigoted, mean-spirited Mormons as well as people similar to the nice guys you encounter (and me, the grumbling Mormon Democrat of the forum).

Oh, and Romney accepted MHP's apology.