Republicans stepping up their game

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/09/the-pre-emptive-war-on-hillary-clinton.html


Reminds me of when they demonized John Kerry, if you think Democrats will make Christie look awful, just wait and see what Republicans will do to Clinton.

[King]

The Clintons are not John Kerry, just like Obama wasn't either. GOP can't win just by attack their opponents and reminiscing of the good ol' days when it worked.

[henster]

Hillary will not have credible opponents in the primary so she can raise money and lay down foundations for her GE campaign while Republicans are tearing each apart in their primary. If I were Hillary I would attack every single Republican running in the primary carpet bomb with ads just as their fighting each other like Obama did with Romney.

[IceSpear]

Sounds like Republicans will be preaching to the choir. Everyone has an opinion on Hillary Clinton, either positive or negative.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

I would never underestimate HRC.  She needs a much better campaign than 2008, but she's a great candidate.  She will be a tough competitor.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Christie and Hillary are both awful.

Christie is a right-wing bully.
Hillary is a useless moderate hero.

[henster]

Christie and Hillary are both awful.

Christie is a right-wing bully.
Hillary is a useless moderate hero.

You have to admit that Hillary would've been a far more effective President than Obama though.

[Franzl]

Christie and Hillary are both awful.

Christie is a right-wing bully.
Hillary is a useless moderate hero.

You have to admit that Hillary would've been a far more effective President than Obama though.

Effective at what? I'm sure she'd "compromise" with the crazies in Congress and would appear bipartisan. Not sure why that would be preferable, though.

[henster]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sounds like Republicans will be preaching to the choir. Everyone has an opinion on Hillary Clinton, either positive or negative.

This.

Also, let's not forget that Democrats could nominate Jesus and the Republicans would still attack him as some kind of baby-killing, gun-grabbing, soft-on-defense/terrorism/crime hippie communist.

[DINGO Joe]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

I don't know how old you are, but I think you missed the whole Bubba presidency.

[King]

Christie and Hillary are both awful.

Christie is a right-wing bully.
Hillary is a useless moderate hero.

Hillary would bring the Congress solidly back into the Democrats hands, which gives the left the ability to Teabaggerize and force Hillary to sign a very liberal agenda into law.

[bedstuy]

People used to hate Hillary Clinton because society was a lot more sexist in the early 1990s.  There was this strange concern about female competition in the workplace and "femi-Nazi" gender conflict.  Most people have gotten over that nonsense. 

What else is there to use as ammunition?  Whitewater and the cover-up where Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, etc?  Benghazi where Hillary Clinton conspired with Al Qaeda to kill Americans or something.  Unfortunately for Republicans, you can only go so far with fictional scandals. 

I think they're just going to be left with, "she's a liberal!"  Good luck with that.

[7,052,770]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Um?  America is much better off with the ACA than whatever bipartisan legislation Hillary might have passed instead.

[Lief 🗽]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Clinton wouldn't have passed Obamacare is not evidence for the argument that she would have been a more effective president than Obama. In fact it's the opposite.

[henster]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Clinton wouldn't have passed Obamacare is not evidence for the argument that she would have been a more effective president than Obama. In fact it's the opposite.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have passed health care reform at all I'm just saying she would've been smart about it and we would have a much better law. She also would have had the experience of trying to push through health care reform before in the 90's and would be able to learn from those mistakes.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Yeah, there's no chance that "HillaryCare" could be a factor in Democrats losing around 60 House seats in a midterm election.

/snark

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Yeah, there's no chance that "HillaryCare" could be a factor in Democrats losing around 60 House seats in a midterm election.

/snark

What happened because of HillaryCare I ensured there would have been no HillaryCare II.  Hillary might well have gotten involved in some issue unrelated to the short-term economic health of the nation, but it certainly would not have been health care after what happened in 1994.

[Badger]

Sounds like Republicans will be preaching to the choir. Everyone has an opinion on Hillary Clinton, either positive or negative.

Yep. It's damn tough to demonize someone who has been a known political entity for over 20 years.

[Yank2133]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Clinton wouldn't have passed Obamacare is not evidence for the argument that she would have been a more effective president than Obama. In fact it's the opposite.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have passed health care reform at all I'm just saying she would've been smart about it and we would have a much better law. She also would have had the experience of trying to push through health care reform before in the 90's and would be able to learn from those mistakes.

What evidence is there of this?

The people who were behind ObamaCare getting through for the most part are the same folks who were with Clinton in 1994. Hillary either gets the same bill that Obama gotten, or she doesn't even try to reform healthcare.

[Person Man]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Clinton wouldn't have passed Obamacare is not evidence for the argument that she would have been a more effective president than Obama. In fact it's the opposite.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have passed health care reform at all I'm just saying she would've been smart about it and we would have a much better law. She also would have had the experience of trying to push through health care reform before in the 90's and would be able to learn from those mistakes.

What evidence is there of this?

The people who were behind ObamaCare getting through for the most part are the same folks who were with Clinton in 1994. Hillary either gets the same bill that Obama gotten, or she doesn't even try to reform healthcare.

Pretty much. I wonder what she would have done instead if anything though I'd imagine like Obama, she would have to have something to show in 2012 or she would've lost (her husband basically won in 1996 by saying he tried his best but it was tabled and he had to spend 1995 and 1996 making sure we didn't get the whole nut job enchilada in 1997). I guess the other alternative would have been that more people would get health care if we had better unions but I don't know how close the Clintons were to the unions.

[Marnetmar]

Christie and Hillary are both awful.

Christie is a right-wing bully.

E: -7.38, S: -8.36

I don't think you're in the position to say that Christie is hard right.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

I honestly think if we had Clinton as President we would still have the House and Senate because we would've avoided the whole Obamacare fiasco that cost us the House in the first place. The Clinton's are much more cautious and understand the public mood more better they wouldn't of passed something like ObamaCare they would've focused more on the economy. Also, all the problems Obama is having today, such as dealing with "crazies" is a direct result of the 2010 losses which would have never happened under Clinton.

Clinton wouldn't have passed Obamacare is not evidence for the argument that she would have been a more effective president than Obama. In fact it's the opposite.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have passed health care reform at all I'm just saying she would've been smart about it and we would have a much better law. She also would have had the experience of trying to push through health care reform before in the 90's and would be able to learn from those mistakes.

How would she have handled it differently?  How could she have handled it differently?  The president doesn't write the bills.  It's not as simple as vetoing a bill and saying "Give me something that does X, Y, Z."