John Boehner is a strong, conservative Speaker who don't need no Tea Party

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Nope. He just lost his credibility. The Tea Party still has theirs.

Yeah...you're wrong.

The dems got the establishment wing to capitulate and left obamacare in the budget. Thus Boehner has joined the camp of leaving an unjust, immoral, and thus illegal law in place. The points the Tea Party folks raise are correct. Folks want the government out of their healthcare amongst other things.

Maybe I agree with you in spirit, but JCL—there was no chance (zero!) that the GOP could stop Obamacare with the current makeup of Congress. If it is capitulating to face reality, then yes, the establishment wing capitulated. What is better: Taking the time to actually govern and recalibrate for the next election from a position of strength, or holding government hostage to no positive end whatsoever? I mean, come on. This is what Boehner is talking about—fringe groups are tricking Americans like you. And I know that's terrible of me to say, but let's look at it for what it is: You are convinced that a showy gesture which had no chance of stopping Obamacare was going to work. How? Why?

I hate to do it, but I'll highlight this challenge again:

Nope. He just lost his credibility. The Tea Party still has theirs.

Convince me that the Shutdown had even one sliver of merit. Then we'll talk, JCL.

Frankly, I don't think there's any argument you could really make here. Even the people who instigated the shutdown have said they didn't believe it would work. Exalting dogma at the expense of truth does no one any favours. It has brought Congress to a halt, and it's about time Boehner called out this horsecrap.

[Franzl]

Nope. He just lost his credibility. The Tea Party still has theirs.

Yeah...you're wrong.

The dems got the establishment wing to capitulate and left obamacare in the budget. Thus Boehner has joined the camp of leaving an unjust, immoral, and thus illegal law in place. The points the Tea Party folks raise are correct. Folks want the government out of their healthcare amongst other things.

Get the government out of my Medicare!!! (Right?)

[Beezer]

Don't see Boehner surviving another Speakership vote this sounds more like he knows he's not running for Speaker next year and is just speaking his mind right now.

On the contrary, I think he may have strengthened his position. The “silent majority” is speaking up, and the Tea Party base, especially the grassroots activists, are very well informed when it comes to elections and how the polls are. People tend to ignore the fact that the Tea Party is built up of mostly lifelong Republicans who are more loyal to the party then their flamboyant politicians suggest. 

144 Republicans voted against reopening the government, 62 voted against the bipartisan budget deal, i.e. around a quarter of all Republicans appear to be vehemently opposed to anything that smells like the establishment. I somehow have a hard time believing that Boehner will find the 218 votes necessary to retain the Speakership in 2015 cause that time around he's not going to get support from the Democrats.

[Badger]

Odds that the Tea Partier challenging Boehner now gets serious funding?

Ohio isn't Tea Party country. It's the land of Rob Portman and Steve LaTourette.

I'd expect that this will be fodder for an unsuccessful Tea Party attempt to unseat him as speaker at the beginning of the next Congress.

The western/SW portion of Ohio making up OH-8 is NOT "LaTourette Country". Maybe the Butler County part in the south end (where I'll admit most voters are, IIRC) has some of that, but this would be one of the most TP-friendly districts in the state.

It may also be worth distinguishing between the capital T, capital P "Tea Party Caucus" and other state/local groups with the words "Tea Party" in them--which currently have minimal influence or power--vs. those voters, politicians, and organizations which are Tea Party oriented in all but name. The latter types may not mention or even profess to like "official" Tea Party organizations and individuals, but their policies and ideology match the TP---well, to a T. The key is organizing the latter hard-line conservatives to a cause or candidate, rather than relying on "professional" Tea Party organizations to carry the day.