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The 2020 election was stolen from Trump by Biden/rigged machines etc
 
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The 2016 election was stolen from Clinton by Trump and the Russians
 
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The 2016 primaries were stolen from Bernie by the DNC
 
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Dr. MB
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« on: December 12, 2021, 01:01:28 AM »

Even if you don’t believe in any of these, which one is the most likely in your opinion to be true?
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Big Abraham
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2021, 01:05:36 AM »

The DNC sabotaging Bernie is an objective fact.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2021, 02:05:10 AM »

Clinton’s victory was stolen by the electoral college, not Russian trolls or Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2021, 11:42:10 AM »

The second one, although most strongly I believe in a 4th option - The 2016 Republican nom was stolen from Jeb! by the RNC :<
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2021, 12:38:30 PM »

I believe in a 4th option - The 2016 Republican nom was stolen from Jeb! by the RNC :<
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2021, 04:59:19 PM »

The DNC sabotaging Bernie is an objective fact.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2021, 05:17:05 PM »

Opt 4: The voted was rigged in Ohio in 2004 to help Bush get re-elected.

But I guess Opt. 2 comes close.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2021, 05:21:25 PM »

idk what number we are at with all the theories added in the replies, but option whatever: it's all rigged, and always has been rigged.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2021, 05:21:57 PM »

None of these elections were stolen, the votes were validly cast and were a legitimate outcome under the rules. Hillary Clinton probably had the roughest luck of any of them though-losing despite winning the PV by 2% is really awful, she also arguably won the popular vote in the 2008 primaries, and she was hurt by undemocratic and stupid caucuses that continuously gave Bernie (just as they did Obama) an advantage. The other stuff is mostly just how campaigns go, candidates always have an advantage in some way and it doesn't have to be a level playing field, though maybe Hillary was more of a victim than Bernie because she got hurt by actual crimes committed with the hacking of her campaign emails. So I guess the 2016 general election, but really even if the leaks caused by the Russians did change enough minds to swing it, it was a legitimate win for Trump.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2021, 06:24:24 PM »

she was hurt by undemocratic and stupid caucuses that continuously gave Bernie an advantage

Literally what.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2021, 06:39:42 PM »

she was hurt by undemocratic and stupid caucuses that continuously gave Bernie an advantage

Literally what.

Caucuses are far more effective voter suppression than any Republican law, normal people don't want to spend hours just to vote (and it's often not even a secret ballot). That obviously benefits the candidates with the more enthusiastic base-which were Obama and Sanders. So it's pretty logical that Clinton would have done better if every state held a primary that was logically democratic, and her winning the non-binding Washington and Nebraska primaries suggests this too.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2021, 07:37:03 PM »

Caucuses are far more effective voter suppression than any Republican law

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2021, 08:40:01 PM »

she was hurt by undemocratic and stupid caucuses that continuously gave Bernie an advantage

Literally what.

Caucuses very obviously favored Sanders, there's nothing controversial about that assertion. They are also totally arcane and incredibly inaccessible.
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