Cleveland Kidnapper Ariel Castro Found Hanged in Jail Cell

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Of course I'm not saying "Castro deserved to die" and that his suicide is not sad, but it's a cowardly act to take your own life as opposed to owning up to the injustice you committed.

[Reaganfan]

since we all suffer and we all sin--admittedly some, such as Ariel Castro, in significantly more flagrant and less easily forgivable or fixable ways than most others.

I just can't feel pain or sympathy for bad people. Period. No gray area, my friend.

You're aware that in a lot of ethical systems that would make you one of the bad people, right?

I can understand how some people might say, "Jeez Reaganfan, that's harsh!" but remember, the difference is whether the people punished actually did something wrong, you understand?

Here's my philosophy:

A woman walks down the street and is attacked. I feel sympathy for the woman and want a swift, timely and harsh punishment for her attacker.

A woman walks down the street to buy crack and is attacked. I can't feel sympathy either way because she herself was doing something bad.

See?

[opebo]

Our penal system is better than being locked in a cramped wooden house, with rusty chains, homemade devices of torture, daily rapes and beatings, and what not. Also, in prison, you are there as a prisoner. Those girls were more than prisoners, they were his property.

The two situations are almost identical, Sanchez.

A woman walks down the street to buy crack and is attacked. I can't feel sympathy either way because she herself was doing something bad.

See?

I see that you are completely irrational Reagan.  You are a sort of puddle of dumb emotions, like some nincompoop watching a Hollywood movie.

How could one even know if 'she was walking down the street to buy crack'?  Are you suggesting that the accused rapist be able to offer 'she's a crackhead' as a defense?

[tik 🪀✨]

He took the best route out from his perspective. Were I facing such I may do the same. That is not cowardice. That is rational for someone who lacks insight into their own depravity and cannot understand justice or empathy. He is dead now, or later, it's all the same. But it feels great to be better than someone else, huh? Much easier than feeling anything at all as powerful for his victims. Who were they again? And what was that I said about empathy and depravity? Who cares.

[ingemann]

As I see it he did everybody a favour; the state because it doesn't need to waste anymore money on him, the victims because they didn't have to worry about him ever getting out (as incredible unlikely as that was) and his family who can now hope that he will just be forgotten.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

See?

Yes, I see, it's just that I can't agree with or countenance the philosophy you're describing, although I understand its appeal.

[Pessimistic Antineutrino]

Of course I'm not saying "Castro deserved to die" and that his suicide is not sad, but it's a cowardly act to take your own life as opposed to owning up to the injustice you committed.

This exactly.

[ElectionsGuy]

Call me crazy or whatever, but he really deserves it for what he did...

Why crazy? Of course he deserves it. NEVER ever ever feel bad for bad people. They reap what they sow.

I just said that because I thought I would be called out by some sympathetic lefties if I flat out said he deserved it.

[Frodo]

That man thing is a fool and a coward, but good riddance.  Now the victims and their families can finally sleep in peace knowing he is in hell now for all eternity.  

[Associate Justice PiT]

As I see it he did everybody a favour; the state because it doesn't need to waste anymore money on him, the victims because they didn't have to worry about him ever getting out (as incredible unlikely as that was) and his family who can now hope that he will just be forgotten.

     My thoughts as well. Everyone benefits from this world being rid of him.

[TJ in Oregon]

Call me crazy or whatever, but he really deserves it for what he did...

Why crazy? Of course he deserves it. NEVER ever ever feel bad for bad people. They reap what they sow.

I just said that because I thought I would be called out by some sympathetic lefties if I flat out said he deserved it.

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Although in this case, obviously, his punishment was not dished out by anyone else; as was said in this thread before, he was unable to deal with the pain of contrition and lashed out in one last desperate gasp for control in ending his life. What a horrible ending to a horrible story.

[7,052,770]

If a prisoner with a life sentence wants to commit suicide, why stop him?  There's no chance that he'll ever be anything other than a drain on society...

[Badger]

since we all suffer and we all sin--admittedly some, such as Ariel Castro, in significantly more flagrant and less easily forgivable or fixable ways than most others.

I just can't feel pain or sympathy for bad people. Period. No gray area, my friend.

You're aware that in a lot of ethical systems that would make you one of the bad people, right?

I can understand how some people might say, "Jeez Reaganfan, that's harsh!" but remember, the difference is whether the people punished actually did something wrong, you understand?

Here's my philosophy:

A woman walks down the street and is attacked. I feel sympathy for the woman and want a swift, timely and harsh punishment for her attacker.

A woman walks down the street to buy crack and is attacked. I can't feel sympathy either way because she herself was doing something bad.

See?

I thought about typing at great length how a supposed law and order conservative could still be such a shill for a criminal defense attorney, buti realized it'd be a waste on somebody whose life is such shambles they have to assert themselves in this forum. Sad indeed.

EDIT: Opebo actually responded best a few posts above.

[Ban my account ffs!]

See?

Yes, I see, it's just that I can't agree with or countenance the philosophy you're describing, although I understand its appeal.

I don't understand its appeal at all.  At least not past 2nd grade.  Seriously.

Part of maturing into an intelligent adult is being able to discern more than "MEAT GOOD RAPE BAD" caveman logic from your observation of the world around you.

By Naso's logic.. I should be able to cut off all of his fingers for blowing smoke in my face... because he's a bad person doing bad things.  Have fun smoking with stumps, Mike.  See?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

See?

Yes, I see, it's just that I can't agree with or countenance the philosophy you're describing, although I understand its appeal.

I don't understand its appeal at all.  At least not past 2nd grade.  Seriously.

Part of maturing into an intelligent adult is being able to discern more than "MEAT GOOD RAPE BAD" caveman logic from your observation of the world around you.

By Naso's logic.. I should be able to cut off all of his fingers for blowing smoke in my face... because he's a bad person doing bad things.  Have fun smoking with stumps, Mike.  See?

Well, I mean, what I understand is its appeal to an adult with the moral sense of a (particular type of) second-grader. For the purpose of trying to understand where people like Naso are coming from I find it easier to imagine myself thinking on that sort of petty revenge-based level than I would like it to be. One of these days I should probably stop trying.

[Napoleon]

Good riddance.

[Badger]

Good.  Burn in hell, bro.

[Silent Hunter]

I cheer the death of no-one, but I won't be exactly mourning this man.

[H. Ross Peron]

Good riddance.