Immigration Reform Bill Approved by the Senate in 68:32 Vote
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2013, 02:19:25 PM »

Theoretically you could build the fence as presently authorized and appropriated from back in 2006 (700+ miles which will never happen as along as we have the present DHS Secretary) and then deploy the "virtual fence" technology to cover the rest that isn't already blocked by nature. However, you are still going to have a significant flow as along as the demand for cheap labor is present and the desire on the part of those who attempt it is present. THe economy squenched that off for a few years and probably made the border look more secure then it really is (that is why I am going off statements made in 2006 and 2007 on this matter). But even with that artificial reduction, the paradigm is still as a I said before. At a certain point the returns begin to diminish drastically from each successive dollar your spend on the border and you will still have a steady flow. I beleive this was the head of the border patrol who stated this would be the case back then. 

As mocked and ridiculed as Mitt Romney was for talking about magnets (he should have said incentives) and self-deportation (he should have just dodged the question really and thus allowed some flexibility to offer up some kind of "compassionate alternative" to self-deportation induced as an effect of having real enforcement, sometime in the spring of 2012. He tried to do that in December 2007 on Meet the Press, but he fumbled the ball in typical Romney fashion), he showed far greater understanding of this issue then most of the Senators on either side of the debate, even if the specific ideas and solutions weren't well rounded or weren't properly advocated for. The recession itself proved the effect of denying access to jobs on the flow of illegal labor and thus validated the fucntional aspect of his approach at the very least. Mandatory E-Verify would have the same effect, but only if you actually go after those who fail to check or check and knowingly hire them anyway. Considering the track record of those in such enforcement capacities, and the lack of any accountability in the bill to ensure that it happens, there isn't much to say of it's presence in this bill.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 08:41:04 PM »

Ran across this list I made back in 2010. Of couse some of the people on this list aren't Senators now.

Pro-Amnesty (6)  4/4 = 100% corrent
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Lindsay Graham (R-SC) - never trust this (altered for TOS compliance)
Mark Kirk (R-ILL) C rating in the house/heavily blue state
Richard Lugar (R-IN) - see Snowe
John McCain (R-AZ) - He'll revert back
Olympia Snowe (R-ME) - up for reelection but she wouldn't care

Sure No/Likely No (34)     Out of 24/28 sitting Senators: 86% correct
Sharron Angle (R-NV)
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
John Barasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Jim DeMint (R-SC)
John Ensign (R-NV)
Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Joe Miller (R-AK)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
John Raese (R-WV)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
John Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)  
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

Unsure (7)  Out five in Office - 2 Ayes and 3 Nays
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) - wobbly during campaign
Ken Buck (R-CO)
Dan Coats (R-IN) - was very horrible in the 90's, does age bring wisdom? "We'll see"
John Hoeven (R-ND) - wildcard
Kay Hutchinson (R-TX) - she is retiring, limited ability to pressure
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH) - D rating in the house

I predicted 88% of those I slated one way or the other, two and a half years in advance

Considering the aggressive push post Romney, I find it satisfying that it is that high.
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