Howard Dean 2016

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

He hasn't exactly denied it, and his PAC is running ads getting Dema elected in Iowa. Doe she have any chance in the primary (w/out Hillary) and in the general? I'd love to vote for him.

[SPC]

Who could have predicted that?

[Maxwell]

He has no chance, but I would like him to run. He could be McGovern '84.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

He has no chance, but I would like him to run. He could be McGovern '84.

McGovern '84 was a Democratic nominee who had won only 1 state losing the nomination to a Democrat who would win only 1 state. That was a little different.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I could definitely see Dean being the anti-Clinton, should she run.

[Mr. Morden]

I could definitely see Dean being the anti-Clinton, should she run.

If Dean was Clinton's sole challenger in the primary, what % would he get in Iowa and NH?

(Keeping in mind the Iowa caucus threshold rules, where if you fall below 15% at an individual caucus site, you fail to reach viability and get 0% from that caucus site....which is why Biden and Dodd got ~1% statewide in 2008.)

[Maxwell]

He has no chance, but I would like him to run. He could be McGovern '84.

McGovern '84 was a Democratic nominee who had won only 1 state losing the nomination to a Democrat who would win only 1 state. That was a little different.

I mean a candidate who is there solely for ideas, not for actually becoming President. McGovern probably knew in 84 he wasn't getting the nomination, and Dean would HAVE to know he wasn't going to get the nomination in 2016.

[TDAS04]

It will be time for Hillary in 2016, but Dean would have been the best choice in 2004.

[Reluctant Republican]

I don't think Dean would get far. Wasn't he on record as saying that he hoped Obamacare was struck down? IIRC he's now moderated that somewhat, but  I think it would be pretty hard for someone to run against one of the fundamental achievements of a president that is all but certain to still be popular with the base of his party.

He'd probably be a decent insurgent candidate if it looks to be  a Clinton coronation, but  I struggle to see him doing much better or actually winning the nomination.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Dean is too pro-gun.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

I don't think Dean would get far. Wasn't he on record as saying that he hoped Obamacare was struck down? IIRC he's now moderated that somewhat, but  I think it would be pretty hard for someone to run against one of the fundamental achievements of a president that is all but certain to still be popular with the base of his party.

He'd probably be a decent insurgent candidate if it looks to be  a Clinton coronation, but  I struggle to see him doing much better or actually winning the nomination.

Yeah, because he thought the law didnt go far enough. He wanted single payer and hoped Obamacare would be struck down so Dems would go for that.
He would be the insurgent seeing he's not very close with the Obama people. They wronged him by nominating Sebelius for HHS Secretary instead of him to replace Daschle.

[Liberalrocks]

It will be time for Hillary in 2016, but Dean would have been the best choice in 2004.

[Mister Mets]

I could see it. He could run on residual name recognition, as well as his accomplishments as Chairman of the DNC during the party's comeback in 2005-2008.

It's a similar argument to Gingrich's run in 2012, except Dean's accomplishments were more recent and he didn't leave in a cloud of scandal. Of course, Republicans skew older (so the primary voters are disproportionately likely to have politically active in the early and mid 90s) which gave Gingrich an advantage Dean wouldn't have.

[Joe Biden 2020]

It will be time for someone completely new, not Dean and definitely not Clinton.  I sincerely hope they both are done with politics.

[nolesfan2011]

I could see it. He could run on residual name recognition, as well as his accomplishments as Chairman of the DNC during the party's comeback in 2005-2008.

It's a similar argument to Gingrich's run in 2012, except Dean's accomplishments were more recent and he didn't leave in a cloud of scandal. Of course, Republicans skew older (so the primary voters are disproportionately likely to have politically active in the early and mid 90s) which gave Gingrich an advantage Dean wouldn't have.

I don't see Dean being hurt that much by his 04 campaign crash, but I do see him hurt by not being in elected office politics for what would be 14+ years by the time he announces anything.

That is just too long to not be "on the record" on things (voting record) and not in the government.  Voters don't tend to view the speaking and fundraising circuit as a great place to garner Presidential experience.

Sure he led the DNC but the DWS DNC has now pushed him out of the party (and trashed his ideas that were successful) and he might as well be a left wing sacrificial lamb against the Clinton corporate machine.

A Palin vs. Dean race would be fun though, both comparing records as governor from a decade ago.

[Mister Mets]

Dean is too pro-gun.

Will that be a problem in Iowa and New Hampshire?

[Dr. Cynic]

It will be time for Hillary in 2016.

Why? I honestly do not care for her. My opinion of her really hit a low ebb in 2008.

[bballrox4717]

He has no chance, but I would like him to run. He could be McGovern '84.

McGovern '84 was a Democratic nominee who had won only 1 state losing the nomination to a Democrat who would win only 1 state. That was a little different.

I mean a candidate who is there solely for ideas, not for actually becoming President. McGovern probably knew in 84 he wasn't getting the nomination, and Dean would HAVE to know he wasn't going to get the nomination in 2016.

This. Dean knows he won't win, but if Clinton runs, nobody else is going to challenge her ideas on the Democratic platform, which is unhealthy for the party, Clinton's campaign, and ultimately her presidency should she win.

[Donerail]

Endorsed. Certainly better than Clinton (though that's not exactly a high bar).

[The Mikado]

While it would be cool to have someone with whom I've spoken on three separate occasions in the White House, this is not going to happen.

[All Along The Watchtower]

While it would be cool to have someone with whom I've spoken on three separate occasions in the White House, this is not going to happen.

My dad and I drove him to the Sacramento Airport in 2009.