Cardinal Mahony, certified asshole

[Obamanation]

Well it means somehow accepting that the infallible "true church" holds such awful and immoral positions.

And they do...you may disagree, but that is the position of the Church, in succession to Peter.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So you hold that women should not be priests, that birth control and abortion are always immoral and that homosexuality is inherently a sin and gay marriage should never be allowed with that social axis score?

[Obamanation]

So you hold that women should not be priests, that birth control and abortion are always immoral and that homosexuality is inherently a sin and gay marriage should never be allowed with that social axis score?

Those are not all my positions, but they are the Church's and I respect them. I am in full accord with dogma though that women shouldn't be priests. I also strongly support the continued celibacy of priests.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

To "respect" such views when you go against them isn't something I can quite understand, for example last year the Catholic Church was spending a couple million dollars in favor of the anti-gay marriage campaign, and even mailed out anti-gay DVDs and added some prayer to some liturgies "to preserve the sanctity of marriage". I don't understand how I could possibly say that's OK while working against that amendment and voting against it without some serious cognitive dissonance.

[7,052,770]

What the church emphasizes depends on personal perception and geography.  For example, gay marriage isn't an issue in Mississippi and I've never heard any church official speak about it.  When abortion was on the ballot with the personhood initiative, the Catholic Church was the leader of the correct side, so that was cool, and the Baptists were on the wrong side.

The main political issue of the current bishop in Jackson has been fair treatment of immigrants, even if undocumented (he won't allow any priest to call them "illegals"). He was instrumental in the defeat of the Arizona-style immigration bill last year.  Remember that most of the Baptist ministers want the illegals deported immediately.

It's all varying individual experience.  Granted, I might feel differently if I lived in an area where the Catholic Church emphasized gay marriage, and you might feel differently if you lived here.

[Lincoln Republican]

Matthew 16

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

What Jesus means by this rock is the rock of revelation, as it was by revelation that Peter says to Jesus, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, as Jesus says, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.  In other words, it was by revelation that Peter knew that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

The Church of Christ is built on revelation, not on Peter.

Peter was an Apostle of Christ, not a Pope. 

 

[Obamanation]

That has been up for theological debate for time immemorial. I'm going to trust the Catholic theologians thank you very much.

[Lincoln Republican]

That has been up for theological debate for time immemorial. I'm going to trust the Catholic theologians thank you very much.

You stick to your belief, I'll stick to mine thank you very much.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What the church emphasizes depends on personal perception and geography.  For example, gay marriage isn't an issue in Mississippi and I've never heard any church official speak about it.  When abortion was on the ballot with the personhood initiative, the Catholic Church was the leader of the correct side, so that was cool, and the Baptists were on the wrong side.

The main political issue of the current bishop in Jackson has been fair treatment of immigrants, even if undocumented (he won't allow any priest to call them "illegals"). He was instrumental in the defeat of the Arizona-style immigration bill last year.  Remember that most of the Baptist ministers want the illegals deported immediately.

It's all varying individual experience.  Granted, I might feel differently if I lived in an area where the Catholic Church emphasized gay marriage, and you might feel differently if you lived here.

Well of course the Catholic church supports illegal immigrants. Where do most of them come from? Now yes their position here is correct, but it's also the most beneficial one to themselves.

Above all that though sits a deeper issue: The status of women and complimentarianism. This is something that is an absolute deal-breaker to me, I can not be a member of or support any church that holds it under any circumstances. Partially due to the fact that it's pretty clear to me from experience that having women preach is a positive since many are fantastic and of course bring a perspective that men can't, but primarily because it's fundamentally such a deeply immoral position.