what would it take within these sub-groups for dems to win the white male vote?

[freepcrusher]

I'm not trying to start a flame war here between myself and the krazen types and realize that they are a tough group to win but I'm trying to think constructively on how to win this vote (or at least make a dent).

So what I'm saying is what % of the vote would democrats have to get in these sub-groups to win the white male vote?

White Gay Males
White Jewish Males
White Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious Males
White Males with No Children
White Males With M.A., M.D., J.D. or PhDs

[All Along The Watchtower]

I'm guessing pretty high for most/all of them.

[NY Jew]

I'm not trying to start a flame war here between myself and the krazen types and realize that they are a tough group to win but I'm trying to think constructively on how to win this vote (or at least make a dent).

So what I'm saying is what % of the vote would democrats have to get in these sub-groups to win the white male vote?

White Gay Males
White Jewish Males
White Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious Males
White Males with No Children
White Males With M.A., M.D., J.D. or PhDs

I don't know but the 1 thing I do know is that Obama will lose big the white Jewish Males who are not gay, and/or Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious, and/or over 30+ Males with No Children.

[Torie]

It's quite amusing just how many of those little categories I fit into (probably more than anyone else on the forum). All of which suggests that you can't always judge people by their cover.

[Brittain33]

It's quite amusing just how many of those little categories I fit into (probably more than anyone else on the forum). All of which suggests that you can't always judge people by their cover.

I'm not too far off from checking off all of them.

[Stranger in a strange land]

I'm not trying to start a flame war here between myself and the krazen types and realize that they are a tough group to win but I'm trying to think constructively on how to win this vote (or at least make a dent).

So what I'm saying is what % of the vote would democrats have to get in these sub-groups to win the white male vote?

White Gay Males
White Jewish Males
White Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious Males
White Males with No Children
White Males With M.A., M.D., J.D. or PhDs

I don't know but the 1 thing I do know is that Obama will lose big the white Jewish Males who are not gay, and/or Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious, and/or over 30+ Males with No Children.

People said the same thing last time, but he clearly won Jewish males handily. He'll definitely win non-Orthodox white Jewish males, and most American Jews aren't Orthodox, so...

[NY Jew]

I'm not trying to start a flame war here between myself and the krazen types and realize that they are a tough group to win but I'm trying to think constructively on how to win this vote (or at least make a dent).

So what I'm saying is what % of the vote would democrats have to get in these sub-groups to win the white male vote?

White Gay Males
White Jewish Males
White Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious Males
White Males with No Children
White Males With M.A., M.D., J.D. or PhDs

I don't know but the 1 thing I do know is that Obama will lose big the white Jewish Males who are not gay, and/or Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious, and/or over 30+ Males with No Children.

People said the same thing last time, but he clearly won Jewish males handily. He'll definitely win non-Orthodox white Jewish males, and most American Jews aren't Orthodox, so...

yes and most of those who aren't Orthodox fit in to one of these 3 categories (gay, Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious/ 30+ with No Children)
when you factor out all 3 of these plus woman (I would assume there are way more unorthodox jewish woman % wise then men (based on age factors))
there's a very good chance that Orthodox Jews are the majority.

[Brittain33]

there's a very good chance that Orthodox Jews are the majority.

You're very much underestimating the millions of Jews who go to temple on the High Holidays, or feel guilty that they don't, and don't have any truck with atheism or agnosticism. Particularly the older ones. You're still a minority even if you're growing fast and live in the city at the center of the known universe.

[NY Jew]

there's a very good chance that Orthodox Jews are the majority.

You're very much underestimating the millions of Jews who go to temple on the High Holidays, or feel guilty that they don't, and don't have any truck with atheism or agnosticism. Particularly the older ones. You're still a minority even if you're growing fast and live in the city at the center of the known universe.

please see page 54
http://www.rcms2010.org/press_release/ACP%2020120501.pdf


now factor out all woman, gays, people with out children and reconstructionist (who officially don't believe in god ) (I would bet most reform jews are also Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious)
and you'll see I'm right

[freepcrusher]

there's a very good chance that Orthodox Jews are the majority.

You're very much underestimating the millions of Jews who go to temple on the High Holidays, or feel guilty that they don't, and don't have any truck with atheism or agnosticism. Particularly the older ones. You're still a minority even if you're growing fast and live in the city at the center of the known universe.

please see page 54
http://www.rcms2010.org/press_release/ACP%2020120501.pdf


 (I would bet most reform jews are also Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious)
and you'll see I'm right

This is news?

[Brittain33]

there's a very good chance that Orthodox Jews are the majority.

You're very much underestimating the millions of Jews who go to temple on the High Holidays, or feel guilty that they don't, and don't have any truck with atheism or agnosticism. Particularly the older ones. You're still a minority even if you're growing fast and live in the city at the center of the known universe.

please see page 54
http://www.rcms2010.org/press_release/ACP%2020120501.pdf


now factor out all woman, gays, people with out children and reconstructionist (who officially don't believe in god ) (I would bet most reform jews are also Atheist/Agnostic/Nonreligious)
and you'll see I'm right

Do we filter out the closeted gay orthodox or do they count?

[Torie]

Can someone help me as to why this Jewish numbers game as to whether God fearing orthodox Jews or the grab bag balance of this and that that have some nexus to Judaism are in the lead seems so important to some?  Just what is riding on this contretemps?

[Brittain33]

For me, it's just a new way to get worked up over data, plus I get the pleasure of having the last word on this discussion until sundown tomorrow.

[tpfkaw]

Those four groups are probably pretty much tapped out - Democratic support can't go much higher.  There's probably no way the Democrats could win the white male vote in a 50-50 election and stay the more leftist party.

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Those four groups are probably pretty much tapped out - Democratic support can't go much higher.  There's probably no way the Democrats could win the white male vote in a 50-50 election and stay the more leftist party.

I'd have to check, but I think they pulled it off in 1932, 1936, and 1964.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Those four groups are probably pretty much tapped out - Democratic support can't go much higher.  There's probably no way the Democrats could win the white male vote in a 50-50 election and stay the more leftist party.

It has nothing to do with being "leftist", and everything to do with the fact that non-whites vote Democratic.

[tpfkaw]

Those four groups are probably pretty much tapped out - Democratic support can't go much higher.  There's probably no way the Democrats could win the white male vote in a 50-50 election and stay the more leftist party.

I'd have to check, but I think they pulled it off in 1932, 1936, and 1964.

Those weren't 50-50 elections...  What I'm saying is that there's specific ways that certain Democrats could possibly win white males in a landslide, but no way to make them a normal Democratic constituency.

[NY Jew]

Those four groups are probably pretty much tapped out - Democratic support can't go much higher.  There's probably no way the Democrats could win the white male vote in a 50-50 election and stay the more leftist party.

It has nothing to do with being "leftist", and everything to do with the fact that non-whites vote Democratic.

if blacks, and Hispanics would vote Republican I would still vote Republican and so would almost every other Republican.