Afghan pederasty

[The Mikado]

Et in Bactria ego...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL


I know this has been discussed before, but this article is really provocative.

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[GMantis]

Once again the whole absurdity and hypocrisy of Islamic "morality" is revealed.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

[GMantis]

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

[minionofmidas]

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

Did you misunderstand what he said? 'Cause that link agrees with him...

[GMantis]

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

Did you misunderstand what he said? 'Cause that link agrees with him...

"A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'"

[minionofmidas]

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

Did you misunderstand what he said? 'Cause that link agrees with him...

"A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'"

Apart from all the other issues pointed out right below (not considered authentic by the vast majority of authorities over the past more than a millennium; circumcision not practiced in most Muslim communities - not ever as far as the historical record goes) it still wouldn't be addressing the point at all - ie, that the practice predates Islam (and is not limited to Islamic parts of Africa, either). In fact, even if authentic it would merely provide further evidence for the point.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Once again the whole absurdity and hypocrisy of Islamic "morality" is revealed.

Lol, do we always point out Christianity when when Christians (or others) do bad things? Lol, really.

Also, that young boy thing was practiced in Turkish Royal Court for the few I know.

[GMantis]

Once again the whole absurdity and hypocrisy of Islamic "morality" is revealed.

Lol, do we always point out Christianity when when Christians (or others) do bad things? Lol, really.

Also, that young boy thing was practiced in Turkish Royal Court for the few I know.

Do Christianity often tolerates pederasty (and no, the Catholic priests do not count - this is about toleration of a widespread custom)? It is interesting how the introduction of Islam usually lead to a quick and effective suppression of customs regarded as unacceptable -  for example the removal of pork from Indonesia - but some customs which should be equally unacceptable remain strangely tolerated.
I don't understand the example about Turkey - that's also a Muslim country.

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

Did you misunderstand what he said? 'Cause that link agrees with him...

"A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'"

Apart from all the other issues pointed out right below (not considered authentic by the vast majority of authorities over the past more than a millennium; circumcision not practiced in most Muslim communities - not ever as far as the historical record goes) it still wouldn't be addressing the point at all - ie, that the practice predates Islam (and is not limited to Islamic parts of Africa, either). In fact, even if authentic it would merely provide further evidence for the point.

In those Muslim countries where it's practiced, however, there are some who defend from an Islamic point of view.  The Shafi`i school, for example.
Of course it's true that it predates Islam but Islam has done nothing to discourage it.

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[opebo]

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Thank you for the kind introduction, Hur Dur. 

I'm touched by this thread more than any of you can know.  I feel - very happy.  Afghanistan, even this place we all thought of as so very bad, even this place is not all bad.

I don't mind admitting I'm filled with hope. 

[minionofmidas]

Even though you do not share their predilections?

Do you at least applaud the Taliban's fight for freedom?

[opebo]

Even though you do not share their predilections?

Do you at least applaud the Taliban's fight for freedom?

I do!  And besides, as the wise Thais say 'a hole is a hole'.

A lovely boy in a yurt would be better than most middle class marriages in the bad place, would it not?

[memphis]

opebo's dreamdate:

[opebo]

opebo's dreamdate:

Dude, I don't know where you got that boy, but that's not an Afghan.

To be honest I still think first of the funny coverlet that's always draped over my dear old Mother, when I hear the word 'Afghan'.

[memphis]

opebo's dreamdate:

Dude, I don't know where you got that boy, but that's not an Afghan.

To be honest I still think first of the funny coverlet that's always draped over my dear old Mother, when I hear the word 'Afghan'.

So sorry. Didn't know you only liked afghan boys. I hope this one is more to your liking.


My grandmother used to knit afghans (and hats etc) constantly when I was a child. We still have many of them.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Once again the whole absurdity and hypocrisy of Islamic "morality" is revealed.

Lol, do we always point out Christianity when when Christians (or others) do bad things? Lol, really.

Also, that young boy thing was practiced in Turkish Royal Court for the few I know.

Do Christianity often tolerates pederasty (and no, the Catholic priests do not count - this is about toleration of a widespread custom)? It is interesting how the introduction of Islam usually lead to a quick and effective suppression of customs regarded as unacceptable -  for example the removal of pork from Indonesia - but some customs which should be equally unacceptable remain strangely tolerated.
I don't understand the example about Turkey - that's also a Muslim country.

The Turkish example wasn't in the argumentation, was just a complement like 'it hasn't been only an Afghani stuff'.

What the hell Islam has anything to do here?

There is as far as I can tell nothing Islamic in those practices.

Some Muslims can practice these things as well as some Christians or people of any confession can, and some societies stay silent on it, but when the other ones do that we don't dig the religious card out, thus, lol at this unfair practice.

I'd put significant monies (without any real knowledge tbh) on this 'custom' as being one which long predates Islam in the region. Like FGM in East Africa.

It isn't really very surprising (Actually more interestingly... if this is widespread how does it fit into our conceptions of homosexuality, heterosexuality and paedophile).

You're not correct about FGM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting#Islam
As for such practices in general, they may not be sanctioned by Islam but they are certainly tolerated.

Did you misunderstand what he said? 'Cause that link agrees with him...

"A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'"

Apart from all the other issues pointed out right below (not considered authentic by the vast majority of authorities over the past more than a millennium; circumcision not practiced in most Muslim communities - not ever as far as the historical record goes) it still wouldn't be addressing the point at all - ie, that the practice predates Islam (and is not limited to Islamic parts of Africa, either). In fact, even if authentic it would merely provide further evidence for the point.

In those Muslim countries where it's practiced, however, there are some who defend from an Islamic point of view.  The Shafi`i school, for example.
Of course it's true that it predates Islam but Islam has done nothing to discourage it.

Not discouraging doesn't mean encouraging or being ok with.

And there is no such thing as 'Islam', at most there is a book called Koran, and now you will have to come with your theology to show that Koran is ok with doing child boys. Everybody can claim to be an Islamic school and preach whatever they want, as well as some Christians can do, and some Christian churches can be as nuts as some Muslim schools, and we don't dig out Christianity as a whole when this happen, thus, lol.