Why Most of You Suck (A Late-Night Rant by Lunar about Political Identities)
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« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2009, 10:47:46 AM »

I'm well aware that your "suck it" was made in good faith and jest Smiley

I'm intrigued by your comparison between organizational scores and political matrix scores.  I'm not entirely sure political matrix scores, like the ones we see on OnTheIssues.org, are nearly as awful as the usage of those same scores on this website either.  I think when you are scoring votes, instead of attitudes, you can have an objective measurement that means something.  It might not mean that a 95% NRA politician is less pro-gun than a 100% one, since these organizations are absolutists in their scoring mechanisms, but it still means something in the tangible world.  I'm not sure political matrix scores mean anything on this site...especially because I think a lot of people use them as a predefined source of pride before they even try and answer each question as objectively as possible....and as has been stated by smarter minds than myself here, the assumption of a binary on each issue is a fundamental flaw in how the scores are calculated.

Much to ponder.  This thread has been a bit of a learning process for me as much as it has been an opportunity for me to shout. 

My point is basically that if I take a given statement it is reasonably doable to evaluate to what extent someone else disagrees or agrees with that statement. My ideology, taken as a sum of statements, can thus be used as a basis for comparing with other people. So, I can say, for instance, how much you agree with me and I can say how much my socialist flatmate does and so on.

The problem arises when someone tries to fit all these individual idelogical sums into some kind of super-structure (like a political matrix). The reason is that the imagined line(s) along which one groups ideologies does not really exist.

Personally, I think a great example is the misguided attempts to put national socialism on a left-right scale of economic issues. National socialism rather obviously didn't operate on such a scale at all. Arguing that it was "left" or "right" on economics makes no sense. And stating that Hitler pursued economic policies close to contemporary labour governments while being very authoritarian still doesn't do much to capture the central tenets of his ideology.

The whole concept of the matrix is really based on classic socialism, libertarianism and then a muddled, faulty, misguided perception of conservatism. Anything else doesn't really work.
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2010, 08:34:08 AM »

tl;dr
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2010, 01:38:50 PM »


That map is retarded.  Nelson Mandela was a fiscal centrist.  He repeatedly emphasized the necessity for government to ensure a balance between democratic human rights and free markets.  George W Bush is arguably more fiscally liberal than Bill Clinton.  LoL at Robert Mugabee, who said communism is dead?!
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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2010, 11:29:56 PM »


So don't bump the thread, wtf
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