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Stranger Than Fiction
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« on: November 19, 2009, 02:26:30 AM »
« edited: November 19, 2009, 03:48:16 AM by Stranger Than Fiction »

Hi everyone,

I've been curious if there are any precincts which are zoned exclusively non-residential yet for whatever reason had voters registered and voting from them?  An example would be a voter who claims an office, industrial warehouse, RV park or even a geographic landmark (i.e. under the I-696 at 8 Mile Rd).  The effect of which hijacks a precinct and skew the results of tiny jurisdictions.  My understanding is that not all states prevent voters from claiming an office or industrial building as their place of residence.

An example is illustrated in Vernon, CA where corruption allegations have led to charges of voter fraud:

"In January 2006, the city came under public scrutiny for evicting, at the request of the property owner, 10 persons who had converted a 1950s era office building into a five-room apartment (the building had previously been used as a tanning facility turning sheepskin into billiard/pool pockets). Three of the men had planned to run for city council, with the eviction effectively prohibiting them from running. Although the city is responsible for conducting its own election for mayor and city council, it has neither authority nor responsibility over voter registration. This falls under the jurisdiction of the Los Angeles County registrar of voters. In March 2006 Judge David P. Yaffe ruled the city cannot prohibit legally registered voters who reside within its boundaries from running for city council. Hence, the city filed suit challenging the registration of the newcomers."

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 05:52:31 PM »
« Edited: November 19, 2009, 05:55:55 PM by Alcon »

There are tons of these voters, although it's not common that they get their own precincts.  Vernon is probably the most extreme example.  Industry, California, also has a considerable number of these voters.

In theory, all of these registrations are universally illegal, either because it's not a valid residence or because it shouldn't be a residential address.  In practice, election workers lack the resources to check to see if a claimed residence is legit or not.  Back after the 2004 election, the Washington GOP challenged a bunch of residents they thought were improperly registered.  They ran into some problems with live-in managers at hotels or mailbox stores, which are legal, as well as artists subletting lofts, which are technically illegal, but not really the Election Department's business.  Another example of "false negatives" are homeless, who tend to be registered either at the county courthouse/elections department, or wherever they get mail.  And then a lot of their challenges were just screw-ups, where there may have been a mailbox store at 123 Main Street East, and an apartment complex at 123 Main Street West.  Even after that, there's the big question of whether people should be prosecuted -- it's a felony, but it's a felony that's easy to commit unthinkingly.

It's pretty rampant, though, and essentially impossible to fix.  But there are some particularly blatant ones.  This address, for instance, is a Mail Box West store with no attached apartments.  Nobody should be registered there.  But for a registration challenge in most states, Washington included, you have to provide evidence of where the voter actually lives, not just that he doesn't live where he claims to.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 08:40:05 PM »

It's pretty rampant, though, and essentially impossible to fix.  But there are some particularly blatant ones.  This address, for instance, is a Mail Box West store with no attached apartments.  Nobody should be registered there.
Hard to say for sure.  That mailbox store is located in a strip mall and there are a lot of multifamily buildings up and down California Ave SW.  Could it be the result of a corrupted database?

It would be hilarious though if they found someone registered to vote at a cemetery address.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 07:32:58 AM »

Lots of industrial areas have a number of legit addresses sprinkled across them. There used to be a precinct in Frankfurt (with quite average population. High noncitizen proportion though) that took in the entire vast riverport/warehousing area and nothing else. Got merged with a neighboring residential precinct early in the millennium though. Sad
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 12:39:53 PM »
« Edited: November 21, 2009, 01:10:55 PM by Alcon »

It's pretty rampant, though, and essentially impossible to fix.  But there are some particularly blatant ones.  This address, for instance, is a Mail Box West store with no attached apartments.  Nobody should be registered there.
Hard to say for sure.  That mailbox store is located in a strip mall and there are a lot of multifamily buildings up and down California Ave SW.  Could it be the result of a corrupted database?

It would be hilarious though if they found someone registered to vote at a cemetery address.

Corrupted database as in the file got corrupted?  Nah.  Every once in a while I'm sure there are input typos, or the voter's handwriting.  But I've never seen indications corruption, and I've worked with it a lot.

Other than live-in carekeepers, I haven't heard of a cemetery address, but back post-2004, SoundPolitics.com (local conservative blog) did a series on illegal voter registrations.  My favorite was some lady who was registered to vote at the address of the Richmond Beach County Park public restroom.  I also learned that the Richmond Beach County Park public restroom is assessed for more than my house was.  Tongue
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