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« on: October 11, 2009, 10:33:46 PM »

The House of Tudor died out in 1603 and was succeeded by the House of Stuart, who died out in 1701.  The House of Stuart was then succeeded by the House of Hanover.

Not that it would happen, and not that I would want it to happen, but if the House of Windsor died out, what line would inherit the British throne, and who would be the new monarch?

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 11:04:53 PM »

Enjoy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_Throne
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 12:23:52 AM »

Windsor (actually Wettin) will be succeeded by Mountbatten (actually Oldenburg).
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 04:56:46 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2009, 05:01:37 AM by it is our duty to be mental »

Windsor (actually Wettin) will be succeeded by Mountbatten (actually Oldenburg).
And Hanover is actually Este.

Although there is an error in your post: Windsor (actually Wettin) will be succeeded by Windsor aka Mountbatten-Windsor (actually Oldenburg). Philip and Elizabeth's descendants bear these two surnames depending on whether they also bear the title "His/Her Royal Highness" or not. (Yes, you're right, "wtf?" is indeed the only appropriate reply to this piece of information.)

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 11:29:59 AM »


Thank you.

Do you know at which point in this list in the line of succession the ruling family would cease be known as the House of Windsor and what the new ruling House would be known as?
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 02:47:02 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2009, 04:08:26 PM by Хahar »


Thank you.

Do you know at which point in this list in the line of succession the ruling family would cease be known as the House of Windsor and what the new ruling House would be known as?

If someone not currently bearing the title HRH ascends to the throne, it will become Mountbatten-Windsor. Or something.

Windsor (actually Wettin) will be succeeded by Mountbatten (actually Oldenburg).
And Hanover is actually Este.

Although there is an error in your post: Windsor (actually Wettin) will be succeeded by Windsor aka Mountbatten-Windsor (actually Oldenburg). Philip and Elizabeth's descendants bear these two surnames depending on whether they also bear the title "His/Her Royal Highness" or not. (Yes, you're right, "wtf?" is indeed the only appropriate reply to this piece of information.)

Well, it's effectively Mountbatten. But non-agnatic primogeniture can do strange things to family names; Lippe rules the Netherlands, and if all goes according to plan, Sweden will someday be ruled by the House of Westling.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 02:50:07 PM »


Thank you.

Do you know at which point in this list in the line of succession the ruling family would cease be known as the House of Windsor and what the new ruling House would be known as?
That would seem to be Peter Phillips (Princess Anne's son), if I'm seeing things right.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 03:21:16 PM »

The House of Stewart did not die out. It was usurped Sad
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 03:30:20 PM »

It is highly unusual that Elizabeth II will not be the last regnal member of the House of Windsor (in much the same way that Victoria was the last regnal member of the House of Hanover, and became the first regnal member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha).

She varied the tradition that meant that she should be a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (Philip's true House name), by an Order in Council:

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As long as you are a descendant of Elizabeth II, holding a Princely title or HRH, then you are de jure a member of the House of Windsor. Also, legally all the children and male-line grandchildren legally have the surname Windsor, despite the fact that they use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor on marriage certificates. Realistically, I think the House name will not change, even if by some disaster it ended up on Princess Anne's line, because not only has Elizabeth set the precedent maintaining it when it should change, in part due to the name recognition of the Windsor name.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 03:53:20 PM »

The House of Stewart did not die out. It was usurped Sad

You say that as if such events seldom occur in the monarchical system.  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 04:20:35 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2009, 05:30:01 PM by Thomas E. Dewey »

The House of Stewart did not die out. It was usurped Sad

The throne passed from the Catholic King James II to his Protestant daughter Mary II and her Protestant husband William of Orange, William III, in the Glorious Revolution in 1688.  Some would argue that the throne was not usurped, but that James II was overthrown in the revolution, due to his excesses.

Mary's sister, Anne, inherited the throne in 1702.  

Under the terms of the Act of Settlement of 1701, the throne passed to the House of Hanover in 1714, upon the death of Queen Anne.  The Act of Settlement wrote into law that only a Protestant line could inherit the throne, and precluded any Catholic from inheriting the throne, and the remaining Stuarts were Catholics.  Therefore, the House of Hanover, Protestants, inherited the throne upon the death of Queen Anne, who had no surviving children.  

The Protestant link in the House of Hanover was Electress Sophia of Hanover, a granddaughter of King James I.  Sophia would have inherited the throne upon the death of Anne, however, since she died shortly before Anne, Sophia's son, George, inherited the throne, and became King George I.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 05:52:06 PM »

Here is the throne of England from William the Conqueror if it always followed male-preference primogeniture:

Normandy:

William: 1066-1087
Robert: 1087-1134
Henry I: 1134-1135
Matilda: 1135-1167

Plantagenet:

Henry II: 1167-1189
Richard I: 1189-1199
John: 1199-1216
Henry III: 1216-1272
Edward I: 1272-1307
Edward II: 1307-1327
Edward III: 1327-1377
Richard II: 1377-1400

Mortimer:

Edmund: 1400-1425

Plantagenet:

Richard III: 1425-1460
Edward IV: 1460-1483
Edward V: 1483?
Elizabeth I: 1483?-1503

Tudor:

Henry IV: 1503-1547
Edward VI: 1547-1553
Mary I: 1553-1558
Elizabeth II: 1558-1603

Stuart:

James I: 1603-1625
Charles I: 1625-1649
Charles II: 1649-1685
James II: 1685-1701
James III: 1701-1766
Charles III: 1766-1788
Henry V: 1788-1807

Savoy:

Charles IV: 1807-1819
Victor: 1819-1824
Mary II: 1824-1840

Lorraine:

Francis I: 1840-1875
Mary III: 1875-1919

Wittelsbach:

Rupert: 1919-1955
Albert: 1955-1996
Francis III: 1996-present

What is interesting is how closely it follows the actual throne until the Glorious Revolution, despite leaving in certain spots.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 04:08:49 AM »

Here is the throne of England from William the Conqueror if it always followed male-preference primogeniture:

Normandy:

William: 1066-1087
Robert: 1087-1134
Henry I: 1134-1135
Matilda: 1135-1167

Plantagenet:

Henry II: 1167-1189
Richard I: 1189-1199
Arthur: 1199-1203
John: 1203-1216
Henry III: 1216-1272
Edward I: 1272-1307
Edward II: 1307-1327
Edward III: 1327-1377
Richard II: 1377-1400

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 09:04:27 PM »


Thank you.

Do you know at which point in this list in the line of succession the ruling family would cease be known as the House of Windsor and what the new ruling House would be known as?
That would seem to be Peter Phillips (Princess Anne's son), if I'm seeing things right.

So that could conceivably become the House of Phillips?  Or possibly Windsor-Phillips,  by virtue of the fact that Peter Phillips is a grandson of Elizabeth II and his father is Mark Phillips?
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 05:33:00 AM »

So that could conceivably become the House of Phillips?
Theoretically yes, that's what would happen unless there's a royal proclamation to change the name - to "Windsor", say.
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