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Anna Komnene
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« on: September 24, 2016, 12:02:51 PM »

Maybe instead of blaming Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader or whoever, we should blame the Democratic Party for rolling out the red carpet for an obviously controversial candidate with a myriad of perceived corruption issues.

Besides, if we want to complain about the effects of a primary on the general election, just look at the Republican one. That was way more divisive. Ted Cruz didn't say he would support Trump until yesterday, and John Kasich and Jeb Bush are still opposing him.
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Anna Komnene
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 02:01:29 PM »

Please stop. If Sanders hadn't run and Biden filled his place, Clinton's numbers right now (assuming she still won the nomination) would be the same. The truth is that 1) she is a flawed candidate and 2) one way or another, there was going to be at least some primary opposition which would directly or indirectly give her some troubles. One could argue that the way Sanders handled the Hillary hate from his supporters exacerbated the problem, but there was always a loony left that would hate Hillary and r/Bidenforpresident, r/Brownforpresident, or even r/Warrenforpresident would have looked just as bad as r/Sandersforpresident on any given day, and the message would spread regardless of what the candidate said. Bernie has now endorsed Hillary and thrown all his support behind her and other progressive Democrats running for Congress, but that hasn't stopped a few of them from voting for Stein or even Trump. They would be just as deaf when listening to any other Democrat defend Hillary Clinton. The 2008 primary was nastier, and polls show the Democrats are more united than the Republicans right now, so stop trying to point fingers (at Sanders, at the media, at anybody but Clinton herself) just because you can't accept that maybe your candidate isn't perfect.

No, look at her 08 favorables from rcp like I pointed out, she was split along partisan lines in terms of favorables after a challenge vs. Obama. Bernie uniquely attacked her far-left green talking points, exactly what Gore did to Nader. Obama didn't really damage Hillary in his run, because they kept the issues to minor differences, and he didn't make damaging personal attacks about her being 'unqualified', a 'goldman sachs puppet', etc. Booker or Biden wouldn't have hurt Hillary like what Bernie did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PcqayEkL40
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