Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment

[windjammer]

Lol lol lol.

This amendment changes nothing about the previous version of the constitution, except that it would be the SoFE who would administer the voting booth instead of the governors, for the  regions which didn't decide to let the local assemblies vote for approval or not the constitutional amendments. The only difference would be that, except for the IDS, the SoFE would administer the voting booth for the constitutional amendmentd instead of the governor.


    There were no debates about constitutional amendments before, and this amendment won't change that. So at least I do hope that those who oppose this amendment will do that honestly. And not using reasons like "blabla we want debates", there was no debates before.

[windjammer]

I agree with the conservative wing of the Northeast here. "Immediately" poses a rather large problem here, plus I'm not entirely keen on regions voting indefinitely at-will to ratify an amendment.

It was already the case before.

[windjammer]

Not exactly. A region could delay their voting to allow for discussion if they wanted to. Or kill a flawed amendment by not holding the vote at all and force the Senate to try again. That is all gone now, including that critical quality control aspect that was used at least twice that I recall.

Wait, are you defending the previous version because governors could have simply decided not to open a voting booth??? This is not democratic.
And no debates have ever been held about constitutional amendments before.

[windjammer]

Not exactly. A region could delay their voting to allow for discussion if they wanted to. Or kill a flawed amendment by not holding the vote at all and force the Senate to try again. That is all gone now, including that critical quality control aspect that was used at least twice that I recall.

Wait, are you defending the previous version because governors could have simply decided not to open a voting booth??? This is not democratic.
And no debates have ever been held about constitutional amendments before.

Actually there were some discussion threads or in the thread I created to inform the public and regions about the vote. With this there is no thread, because there is no one to inform. A memo is sent from the legislative brance to the SoFE and a vote is immediately held.

Since the abolishment of the ilikeverinship in the Midwest, all the Governors are democratically elected. If the region support the amendment, they can vote out the Governor in favor of one who does.

Still, that's ridiculous to defend the previous version because a governor could simply decide not to bring that to a vote. This is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S and I would call out every governor who would try to behave like this. This is the voters who have to decide, not the governors.

Nothing forbides people to open threads discussing about constitutional amendments, so saying this amendment wouldn't allow debates isn't true.

[windjammer]

It is for the regions to decide. The South's citizens don't even get to vote on these amendments at all right now. Something I disagreed with, but it is what our elected officials and the region decided to pursue and it is within their right to make it a decision of the legislature. I don't want the Feds coming in here and correcting it for us. We should change it ourselves.

And this amendment doesn't change the IDS system. The Imperial legislature will still have to vote on the amendment even if the efficient referenda amendment passes.

And you already know that because you were a member of the senate when the effcient referenda amendment...

[windjammer]

It is for the regions to decide. The South's citizens don't even get to vote on these amendments at all right now. Something I disagreed with, but it is what our elected officials and the region decided to pursue and it is within their right to make it a decision of the legislature. I don't want the Feds coming in here and correcting it for us. We should change it ourselves.

And this amendment doesn't change the IDS system. The Imperial legislature will still have to vote on the amendment even if the efficient referenda amendment passes.

And you already know that because you were a member of the senate when the effcient referenda amendment...

You missed my point. The point is we cannot vote on them (which increases your chances of getting this passed by the way) but I don't seek a Federal remedy to that because it is not their job to fix that. Regional Ratification Booths are a regional responsibility.

This is amending the federal constitution, so this needs to be  a federal responsiblity. Like the SoFE who is administering the regional senate elections.

[windjammer]

It is for the regions to decide. The South's citizens don't even get to vote on these amendments at all right now. Something I disagreed with, but it is what our elected officials and the region decided to pursue and it is within their right to make it a decision of the legislature. I don't want the Feds coming in here and correcting it for us. We should change it ourselves.

And this amendment doesn't change the IDS system. The Imperial legislature will still have to vote on the amendment even if the efficient referenda amendment passes.

And you already know that because you were a member of the senate when the effcient referenda amendment...

You missed my point. The point is we cannot vote on them (which increases your chances of getting this passed by the way) but I don't seek a Federal remedy to that because it is not their job to fix that. Regional Ratification Booths are a regional responsibility.

This is amending the federal constitution, so this needs to be  a federal responsiblity. Like the SoFE who is administering the regional senate elections.

I actually tried twice to move the Regional Senate elections to being a Regional responsibility as well. It even passed the Senate once if I recall correctly.

Well, so I guess I will never be able to convince you .

[windjammer]

I find it hilarious to see that the right seems to be much more opposed to a minor change (because seriously this wasn't a big deal or a big move or whateer) than a bill basically raising the minimum wage to $14/hour or a bill basically nationalizing the energy industry. Just one word: HAHAHAHA.

I didn't even bother PMing people this time, because this isn't a big deal for me and that Poirot has raised some good concerns that could improve this version.