Federal Reserve Reform Act (Passed)

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No Bacon King.

Sorry for not having been able to participate in this thread before. I have been really busy irl.

I totally agree with Griffin. This bill is a bad idea. Just to be clear, I'm not AGAINST reforms, I'm against basically stripping duties to an office. You're doing the same mistakes than the senate did when they voted to basically strip every duty of the VP: what was the result? An inactive office.
I will vote no because I don't want that to happen to the GM as well. If you don't like this office, I would prefer you to try to abolish this office, instead of progressively stripping every of his duties.
The Nappy-Hagrid partnership was really good, I don't understand the need of "change".

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Matt from Vermont, when he was VP, didn't use his "duties" at all. That doesn't mean that the recent senate reforms didn't strip every VP duty.

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I still don't understand why Cynic, who is doing a good job, should be stripped from this duty.

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There's a lot of interesting arguments here, but I suppose I must express my amazement at how some seem to believe there's a sustained effort by the Senate to weaken the GM.

Please don't try to make it sound as if I implied a conspiracy. Regardless of intent, the office of GM is the only cabinet position as of late that has been the focus of multiple bills designed to either limit its autonomy or give its powers to others. Oddly enough, there does seem to be a response with respect to doing this sort of thing not when the positions are failing, but when they actually have an active occupant (much like the last round of VP reforms when windjammer held it).  

I meant Windjammer's arguments as well, but for some reason it does seem like whenever we have to argue there are conspiracy theories in the background...

Moving onto the main point here, I don't feel that what we have done is to limit the autonomy of the GM and reduce the office to nothing. It is a fact that the cabinet needs reforms and it needs to avoid the vagueness provided by the constitution, and I feel attempts like this bill fulfill in part that objective. The argument about the active occupants of the position being the ones hurt by this does seem a bit ironic in light of your earlier comments against SirNick (and I believe Simfan as well). Cynic has been a great GM, but that doesn't mean things cannot be improved when it comes to the cooperation between the cabinet and his office. Call me idealistic, but I want to believe that Riley or Bore will be able to assemble a cabinet active enough to continue this line of thinking.

Regarding the conflict that arised when Windjammer was the Vice-President, the issue was not one of activity or a calculated attempt to limit and reduce the position, the issue surged because there was (ironically, I guess) a clear conflict of separation of powers and the potential weakening of the President Pro Tempore.

The VP is the president of the senate, and his only constitutionnal duty is to break the ties. People believe the VP is a member of the executive branch whereas he's a member of the legislative branch, there was no problem with "separation" of powers.

Speaking about the bill now, to be honest, I don't think you're malicious Lumine and there are plots behind, it's just we fundamentally agree on many things.

I totally agree with Griffin on that, the GM is doing a good job and I fear that stripping some of his duties would undermine this office in long term.

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