Recall Amendment (Passed)

[windjammer]

I will not vote for it.
At large elections allow people with not mainstream views: Deus, JCL to be elected. The recall would likely recall them both.

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The only situation where I could back it

[windjammer]

Yes - 100% would make recalls virtually impossible. Plus section 2 has some wording issues, "provided that a number voters equal to or greater than 100% of registered voters".

I'd be interested to know why Senator Windjammer is proposing this.

I know this seems to be a joke, but that's not the case. After some talks with a member of your party, I realize that would be a good proposal. Indeed:
1) I will quote the great member of your party, an analysis I share as well: 

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2) With this proposal, the only case case it could happen would be when the representative himself would vote in favour of this removal. The only way I might support it. Except disgusting behaviours (where he would be impeached), an unpopular representative should be able to stay in office until he wants himself to be recalled/removed from office.

[windjammer]

Senator, this has nothing to do with members of my party. As with you, I am more than a member of the TPP. I disagree with members of my party, no matter how much I respect them. It's actually something we pride ourselves on.

Nor do I think of this a joke, as I'd hope you wouldn't present something you'd consider a joke.

I don't support a system of recall that would allow recalls by whim, but at the same time IF we are to have a system for recall, then it cannot be completely impossible. Taking unpopular decisions is an element of leadership, not only making them, but being prepared to.

Putting in a system that requires every, single voter (whether they voted or not) to agree - which is the reverse issue that you raised of a leader making a difficult decision - to put in place a situation where a leader acting inappropriately (short of criminal) would be kept on by the will of a tiny set of voters.

Oh don't worry, this has nothing to do with your party. It's just I didn't want to reveal the guy I talked recently because I don't want to have poblems with the moderators, so I have just said "member of yuour party", nothing more .

This is simple, the idea of recalling individuals is silly and I"m saddened to see it will probably pass the senate.
My amendment would make sure my vision of what should a representative be: even unpopular, this is his decision to retire or not, and at the same time letting the idea of recall pass, that would be symbolical, indeed, but I believe this is a fair compromise.

[windjammer]

Oh and AYE of course

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Hostile

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Yes I object,
Sorry for the confusion

[windjammer]

Nay

[windjammer]

This is an improvement, my biggest concern with the at large elections is resolved.

However, I will still vote against this amendment for these reasons:
- I like representative democracy. We're elected for a period of 4 month, if the people believes we're "incompetent" or whatever reason they can have, they just have to wait for the next elections. Recall elections will only make the life of the senators even more difficult.
-The last recall recently, the recall of Midwest Govenor Lebron, had not been made really by Midwesterners. It has been made by a group of persons who absolutely wanted him to go down, and they're outside of the MW. So this amendment will likely not improve the relations between the representatives of the people and the people, it will just create a new way of plotting.

[windjammer]

Nay