MW: Canadian Provinces Renaming Act of 2014 (Passed)

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He doesn't need to do that. I fail to see one reason against this bill.
I will of course sign this bill.

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if the name is Fidelity there is a typo. Unless it is to honour Fidel Castro.

Knowing TNF, an honour to Fidel Castro is a possibility .

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My amendment

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We're literally in the middle of a Court case over the South trying to (allegedly) annex parts of Canada, is this bill a good idea?

Oakvale, honestly I believe so. Some Midwesterners have joined these regions, I wouldn't want someone to try to invalidate their vote.
Although I still believe that annexing Canada was definitely stupid.

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My apologies on the typo.

I echo AdamGriffin's comments. This doesn't 'annex' these provinces so much as it recognizes them under Midwestern law under new names, so I'm not sure where the legal gray area actually is here, because there isn't one.

The legal gray area comes from the language "provinces recognized as part of the Midwest".  These provinces are not recognized as part of the Midwest.

Except they are, under the Common Market agreement. Not sure what legal gray area there is about explicit federal law. If you'd like to ignore that, be my guest, but the law is the law.

Where is that language in the ACCMA?

The only reference to MB, SK, AB, NT, or the Midwest is the clause: "Atlasian citizens living in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and the Northwest Territories shall be considered as citizens of the Midwest Region for limited jurisdictional and regional/federal electoral purposes."

The provinces (i.e. the pieces of land) aren't recognized as part of the Midwest; the Atlasian citizens living on those pieces of land are.  There is no gray area.  This isn't really a debatable issue.  Those provinces are not "part of" the Midwest.  Canadian citizens living in those provinces are not "part of" the Midwest.  The land on which these people live is not "part of" the Midwest.

Inks, to be honest, I understand NOTHING. Could you make an amendment please? I will sponsor it for you. Thanks

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I would suggest something as simple as this:

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I sponsor Inks's amendment. Thank you Inks!

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The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

It's a Midwest thing you know

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The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

It's a Midwest thing you know

I understand renaming the states that the Midwest owns is a Midwest thing, but why rename Canadian provinces that you don't own when you don't do that for other states or countries?  I still think most people are missing the point of what the ACCMA does.

It seems counterproductive to the purpose of the ACCMA to say to Canada, "We don't like your names, so we'll create our own."  It's fine to do that with your own states, because they are your own states, but now you're proposing to refer to another country's provinces by another name.  That doesn't make sense.

Simply because every Midwest state has been renamed! So it's normal to rename Canadia's regions too!

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The bigger question to be asked is why would you want to refer to provinces that aren't yours as other names?  You don't have a special name for Michigan, so why make a special name for Saskatchewan?

It's a Midwest thing you know

I understand renaming the states that the Midwest owns is a Midwest thing, but why rename Canadian provinces that you don't own when you don't do that for other states or countries?  I still think most people are missing the point of what the ACCMA does.

It seems counterproductive to the purpose of the ACCMA to say to Canada, "We don't like your names, so we'll create our own."  It's fine to do that with your own states, because they are your own states, but now you're proposing to refer to another country's provinces by another name.  That doesn't make sense.

Simply because every Midwest state has been renamed! So it's normal to rename Canadia's regions too!

So why not rename all of them?

Every Midwest region has been renamed Inks!

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I understand that.  But why aren't you renaming all of Canada's provinces?

Because they aren't "territories under limited jurisdictional authority [aka the Midwest]." This map is right off the Wiki page and while the Midwest page itself does not include the 3 Canadian provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, our government still has some authority over them and one of those includes to rename them. We're not asking to rename provinces that are in other regions like British Columbia or Quebec because the Pacific and Northeast could do those, respectively if they choose as can other regions who have provinces under their jurisdiction.

Where did you get the idea that you have ANY authority over those provinces?  Where do you get the idea that that authority gives you the authority to rename them?  These provinces are not at all under your jurisdiction in any form whatsoever.

It wasn't me who had done that. These states from the Midwest have been renamed since 2008-2009. And I guess nothing in the Atlasia Constitution forbides the Midwest to find nicknames for its regions .

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windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

It's not officially renaming these regions. "Shall be known". I don't think it's forbidden seriously!

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windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

It's not officially renaming these regions. "Shall be known". I don't think it's forbidden seriously!

Yeah, it's not forbidden, but I don't think most people understand what the ACCMA actually does.  You've got people talking about "authority over" the provinces, and stuff like that.

Seriously you're right! I hope your amendment will pass! The Canada reform seems to have been massively misunderstood!

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windjammer, you are completely missing the point.  I understand why the Midwest wants to rename states that are part of the Midwest region, but why would you want to rename areas that don't even belong to the Midwest, but rather, belong to another country?

It's not officially renaming these regions. "Shall be known". I don't think it's forbidden seriously!

Yeah, it's not forbidden, but I don't think most people understand what the ACCMA actually does.  You've got people talking about "authority over" the provinces, and stuff like that.

Seriously you're right! I hope your amendment will pass! The Canada reform seems to have been massively misunderstood!

I mean, I think the whole bill should just be scrapped, but that's jut my opinion.  It's pretty clear Adam doesn't understand what the law does.

Adam?
Seriously, I still believe it would better to pass this bill. There are some people in these regions, and I wouldn't want to have to invalidate their vote! Protection is better than a cure!

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Adam?
Seriously, I still believe it would better to pass this bill. There are some people in these regions, and I wouldn't want to have to invalidate their vote! Protection is better than a cure!

Adam FitzGerald.

Why would you have to invalidate the votes of anybody if this bill didn't pass?

Because some voters would be from these states! If the Midwest doesn't recognize them, what should I do? Do you understand my concern?

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You raise a good point Inks!
I will sign this bill, because at worst this is unnecessary, at best, it might avoid some problems.

I guess Arturo can call a vote now?

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Thank you Arturo!

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You're welcome TNF!