Opinion of France

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Because it could be interesting to have a foreign opinion about my country!

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Mixed but lean FF.

Really interesting history, politics, and religious issues though. Also, why do you guys seem to love your revolution so much? I can kind of get the American one, but the French one seems like a bloodbath.

Sometimes bloodbaths can have good long-term consequences. Acknowledging that the Revolution went completely off the rails after 1793 does not cancel all the truly beautiful and inspiring events that happened in the years before (yeah, a few pretty awful things happened in these years as well). In particular, France has inherited a political culture from the Revolution which I find pretty fantastic (though credit should really go to the Third Republic for setting this legacy in stone).

And BTW, Angus is absolutely right.

Wel, the  French Revolution, initially I would have probably supported this event. But, it becomes vicious... Massive executions in Vendee, guillotine, Terror,... LOL
And honestly, with Lechapelier law, the french revolution was made by this f***** capitalist: anti corporation, worthy of Rick Snyder or Scott Walker.

And for the Third Republic: LOL. It was just realized by franc-maçons, upper-middle, radicals, who wanted to destroy catholiscism instead of supporting a better social state.

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Ha. Don't get me started.

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And for the Third Republic: LOL. It was just realized by franc-maçons, upper-middle, radicals, who wanted to destroy catholiscism instead of supporting a better social state.

Errrr, no. I'll grant you the anticlericalism, but supporting a better social state was pretty much what the Third Republic did all the way. You know, free obligatory school, decreasing work shifts, paid leaves, labour inspection, authorizing unions, authorizing strikes, and so on... No ?

I agree with you on free obligatory school.

But the rest: for the Unions, the Waldeck Rousseau Law was just "vidée de toute substance par le sénat en + de la faire appliquer 2 ans après son passage"
Sunday's rest: "Sous le pretexte qu'elle avait été adoptée sous la Restauration5, la loi de 1814 est abrogée par la loi du 12 juillet 1879 qui supprime l’obligation de repos dominical, à l’exception des fonctionnaires6"
Progressive income taxe: only in 1914.

From 1870 to 1918: the republicans made few things for working class,... if you make a comparison with Bismarck for instance. When they took the power, the radicals were just awful: their pension reform was really really weak, massive repression against workers (Courneuve, you know Clémenceau).


After 1918, yes there was progress. But you know, when you have a socialist revolution in Russia,...

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And for the Third Republic: LOL. It was just realized by franc-maçons, upper-middle, radicals, who wanted to destroy catholiscism instead of supporting a better social state.

Franc-maçons, upper-middle, radicals, who put an end to a century of political turmoil by forging national consensus around progressive Enlightenment values, building one of the first successful democracies in the world, generalizing public education, building modern infrastructure and ushering economic prosperity.

You should read my last message.

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And for the Third Republic: LOL. It was just realized by franc-maçons, upper-middle, radicals, who wanted to destroy catholiscism instead of supporting a better social state.

Errrr, no. I'll grant you the anticlericalism, but supporting a better social state was pretty much what the Third Republic did all the way. You know, free obligatory school, decreasing work shifts, paid leaves, labour inspection, authorizing unions, authorizing strikes, and so on... No ?

I agree with you on free obligatory school.

But the rest: for the Unions, the Waldeck Rousseau Law was just "vidée de toute substance par le sénat en + de la faire appliquer 2 ans après son passage"
Sunday's rest: "Sous le pretexte qu'elle avait été adoptée sous la Restauration5, la loi de 1814 est abrogée par la loi du 12 juillet 1879 qui supprime l’obligation de repos dominical, à l’exception des fonctionnaires6"
Progressive income taxe: only in 1914.

From 1870 to 1918: the republicans made few things for working class,... if you make a comparison with Bismarck for instance. When they took the power, the radicals were just awful: their pension reform was really really weak, massive repression against workers (Courneuve, you know Clémenceau).


After 1918, yes there was progress. But you know, when you have a socialist revolution in Russia,...

I mean, when you have a communist revolution, you're more willing to make compromise to avoid communism?


And for Tonyo, the IIIe Republic is according to me a mix of anti-clericalism and capitalism. I really hate the radicals. What they created a public school: just to screw catholiscism, certainly no by "altruism".