Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

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Here is some video:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-police-fatal-arrest-officer-kneeling-neck-man-died/

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He was already in handcuffs.
And on the ground, face-down.
Why apply severe pressure (weight) to someone neck and upper body. He was going nowhere.
This is just so stupid and now someone is gone forever.
And all this over possible forgery?

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MAKE WHITES GREAT AGAIN COP dot jpg

That's a photoshopped picture ... right?

That's what I was thinking.
That cant possibly be.
How could the police force he was on, have missed that (if it is true).
(If it is photoshopped, then shame on those creating it.)

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Funny to see MSNBC and other news agencies give out headlines like "MSP protesters met with tear gas", while in reality the protesters are out acting like animals, looting and attacking cops. In situations like these, the CCP model actually works pretty well.

"Acting like animals."
Now using the same "language," how would you describe what this officer did?

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Funny to see MSNBC and other news agencies give out headlines like "MSP protesters met with tear gas", while in reality the protesters are out acting like animals, looting and attacking cops. In situations like these, the CCP model actually works pretty well.

"Acting like animals."
Now using the same "language," how would you describe what this officer did?

Despicable, that's how I would describe it. He should be charged for murder like anyone else.

That's not the same language.
But in any case, he should be in jail right now. And if he was, I doubt the protests would be going on. If any other normal citizen did this to another person and killed them (and there was video of it), they would be in jail immediately ... facing a judge for future trial and discussions of (possible) bail arrangements.

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How will this play in the Minneapolis-St. Paul suburbs, where the back the blue is more prevalent in the suburbs and where Republicans could use it to define the Democrats as anti-police?

Chauvin lives in Oakdale, MN, a suburb of Minneapolis.

Democratic Rep. Betty McCollum represents the area.

Most police officers who have watched the video say this bastard should go to jail.
I'm sure most citizens, regardless if they are more prone to "back the blue," would also agree.
The video does not tell lies.

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Anybody who defends the cops = massive HP

Anybody who defends the looters = massive HP

Anybody who defends the non violent protestors = massive FF

I agree with this, but the only difference is that I would write "Anybody who defends these cops = massive HP."
Not all cops are bad/HP. The vast majority do their job correctly and do care about the people within their communities. The job is not easy. Unfortunately, a few bad apples make the entire system look corrupt, but they are not all like that. I know and have known police officers in my life, and they are nothing like that heartless and inhuman officer in this video.

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All this looting and burning is complete BS.
Why are they doing this?
Local, everyday people have jobs at these places, and stores of different kind are beginning to open-up. Now they have no jobs and income.
And places like Target have been providing important essentials for people since the Pandemic, but now that mad-people looted the entire store, leaving it in shambles, it will be closed for some time.
They are destroying their own neighborhoods and harming their own neighbors.

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https://twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1266113538814337024?s=19
https://twitter.com/MNNationalGuard/status/1266115520933363718?s=19

That’s disappointing.

What's "disappointing" about it?
They need to restore order, and not have fires everywhere.
I mean, it's disappointing they have to do it, but it's a necessity before nightfall (is this what you mean?)

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So what are the chances the cop walks? 90%? 95%?

Noooo. It's smaller than that.
Not sure about the other 3, but the one with his knee into the victim's neck is going to get-it.

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Hopefully these riots make more voters in MN realise the importance of having politicians who recognise the importance of maintaining law and order, Trump should be able to capitalise on these riots and the more riots happen the better it will be for him electorally, he likely does understand how to use these riots to help him politically I would say, it would be a good way for him to turn away the focus from the virus.

We have 16 pages of comments, and you come here to post this garbage?

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https://disrn.com/news/black-business-owner-weeps-after-looters-destroy-his-sports-bar-i-dont-know-what-were-gonna-do

Absolute Tragedy.

To be fair this guy was probably already screwed by the lack of sports and lack of bars.

"To be fair"?
There is nothing "fair" about what happened to his business.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1266394964847521793

Yeah. And look where it has led us to.

Probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. 

Have a counter punch better than that or are you just vomiting white guilt all over me instead?

Please tell me how a football player peacefully protesting police brutality has led to the situation we are in (more police brutality). 

Simple: he was an asshole about it and now rioters are acting like assholes. Did you not see them try to drag a woman out of her car? The cries of “kill whitey?”

You're smarter than this.

No, actually he isn't.

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https://twitter.com/thematthill/status/1266413261769015297

Here is the link, if anyone wants to watch/listen. It is about 5-1/2 minutes long ...
https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/05/29/biden-george-floyd-statement-sot-crn-vpx.cnn

Biden speaks like a leader.
Far more than what we are seeing today from the Orange Buffoon and his Twitter nonsense.

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What happens if a significant portion of the cops involved in this saga are not ultimately convicted?

Depends on what happens to Chauvin, I presume.

Yep. It's this guy that will determine how the public reacts in the future.
But we are a long way from that.

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try not to believe everything that you see on Twitter from random people ...

But since trump is not "random people," we should believe everything he says on Twitter.
OK, got it.

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Also does atlas realize how insurance works?
Its not just free stuff, you pay with premiums and its very likely that even if the insurance companies cover riots they will still locally raise premiums due to increased risk, which massively hurts the small businesses in this location if they continue to buy insurance

Absolutely true.
Not to mention the deductibles that the owners will need to pay, and they could be hefty.
Arguments/Disagreements with the insurance companies regarding valuation of this and that, how some items are covered and others are not, it's a big mess.
I wouldn't be surprised if some businesses never re-open, and some others decide to leave.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1266431226895839233

Interesting. Would have presumed 2nd, but assume 3rd is easier to prove.

The Minnesota second-degree murder statute appears to be pretty narrow, the only option would be to make the case that the office was committing some kind of felony, which I can't imagine he would be found to be doing. Third degree appears to be the appropriate crime, with the bolded being the appropriate option.

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

I mean, I feel like "Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation" was what happened, but I agree that the proof for that isn't there.

Whatever the case, I'm glad he's in jail. It's ridiculous that he wasn't in the first place. It's like if cops saw someone shoot someone while coming out of a store and didn't arrest them. You find out later that the shooting was in self-defense, but you still arrest the guy who did the shooting. Here, you don't know what happened "exactly," but there was a murder, so of course you lock the guy up while you figure out your case.

I was watching some legal channel last night, and the lawyers on the show thought that it could be, at minimum, a second degree murder charge.

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Also does atlas realize how insurance works?
Its not just free stuff, you pay with premiums and its very likely that even if the insurance companies cover riots they will still locally raise premiums due to increased risk, which massively hurts the small businesses in this location if they continue to buy insurance

Absolutely true.
Not to mention the deductibles that the owners will need to pay, and they could be hefty.
Arguments/Disagreements with the insurance companies regarding valuation of this and that, how some items are covered and others are not, it's a big mess.
I wouldn't be surprised if some businesses never re-open, and some others decide to leave.

I mean, you could just look at what's happened following riots of the past and have a fairly solid understanding.

Absolutely. In the greater Los Angeles area, after the Rodney King riots, many businesses closed and left. It took years before they (or similar establishments) returned. In the meantime, the locals wondered why people and stores did not want to serve them. I remember this.

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I’m pleasantly surprised to see PM2 on the right side of an issue for once.

I'm always on the right side. It's you that is usually on the wrong side.

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New video appears to show George Floyd being kneeled on by 3 officers.

Click here to watch ... https://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/george-floyd-kneeled-on-by-three-officers-video-vpx.cnn

This angle is from the opposite side of the street. You can hear Floyd begging for the officers to "please let me stand" and allow him to breath. Just horrible.

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The man is heard over and over again, begging for air ... for the ability to please breathe.
How can they say it's not due to "asphyxia or strangulation."
That's BS.

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Another police officer attacking protestors, this time with a car door:

https://twitter.com/NickAtNews/status/1266537738364477446?s=20

They are not "attacking."
Those are not "protesters."
As the police vehicles are driving by, it looks like these rioters are hitting the windows, trying to break them. This could be dangerous to anyone inside (would you like glass shattering pieces in your face/eyes?)
This looks to be a defensive move to keep these thugs at some distance from their vehicles.

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Police needs to start bringing out the riot gear and engaging.

 That works until it doesn't work and then what? One of these days the police bringing out the riot gear isn't going to do anything. Most police forces in major cities are a couple thousand. NYC has the largest force and is 40k if these protest spread, there are not enough police, riot gear, nor jails to stop anything.

 One day with the way things are going you'll wake up to an America where authoritarian crackdowns in the name of "law and order" don't do anything.

Then bring on the flamethrowers, tanks, machine guns, and heavy artillery. That'd end this nonsense quick. If this is what your side wants, so be it.

Higgins just go away please.
You bring nothing of reasonable-quality to the discussion of something that is serious and that is happening as we speak.