Ryan AGAIN wants to force Raped Women to give birth, outlaw abortion/IVF/planB

[Blue3]

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They can't even win in states like Oklahoma and Mississippi, the personhood movement is dead. There are no trends to suggest this will change. Republicans were absolutely hammered by this in the 2012 elections.

Yet here is Paul Ryan, again, one of the Republicans who should have been the most likely to learn this lesson. Ryan flip-flops away from Romney and back to the absolute extreme of this issue, siding with Broun, Akin, Mourdock, and the rest again...

I'm not sure how he'll be able to survive the 2014 midterms at this point, being from a moderate swing-district that has gone for Obama in two presidential elections now. Yet his eye is clearly on the White House, becoming the keynote speaker for the Susan B Anthony list, saying the other day that he was thinking about but undecided when it comes to 2016, etc.

Does anyone really think Paul Ryan can still become President?

[Blue3]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

It is painfully obvious that the "personhood at conception" movement will never succeed. Eventually, scientists and either Congress or the Supreme Court will need to determine exactly when personhood begins, when abortion should become illegal. But it won't be at conception. The more conservatives like Ryan turn the pro-life movement into a "personhood at conception" movement, the bigger they will lose, again and again. You do remember the problem that Mourdock, Akin, and others had in 2012, right?

[Blue3]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

Read what I just posted.

In addition to that, as well as demographic trends... did Reagan and the Bush's want to ban abortion even in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened?

You see, for the current Republican Party, only the most extreme pro-lifers are actually pro-life. And it does somewhat makes sense, because if you really believe a zygote is a person then you wouldn't want it killed even if it was the product of rape/incest and perhaps even threatened the mother's life.

Either the pro-life movement chooses another time for personhood to begins, or they kill off the entire pro-life movement by turning it into the "personhood at conception" movement which even Mississippi rejected by referendum recently and by a very large margin.

Nevermind it killing your electability in a general election for President.

[Blue3]

How long before some nut bag suggests that anyone who performs an abortion or has an abortion should be charged with murder including victims of rape??

That IS what this basically does, as do other personhood amendments/laws proposed around the country. They really mean it when they say abortion is murder in their point of view.

[Blue3]

70% of Americans oppose overturning Roe v Wade, and the population is getting more pro-choice overall:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/21/16626932-nbcwsj-poll-majority-for-first-time-wants-abortion-to-be-legal?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=3