Honest question here

[politicallefty]

How am I supposed to love a country where this is a headline for the apparent losing candidate?

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My patience and resolve is seriously being tested.

I spent election night with my mom and dad, and I hugged them both and cried when the results became apparent to me. My mom tried to look at other states, being less politically aware than I am. I know better and I know when it's over. My mom couldn't believe Pennsylvania being called for Trump.

As much as I've tried, I cannot and will not accept this result. The fact is that the American people chose one candidate, while the people of a few Midwestern states chose someone else that just so happens to carry more weight. Trump supporters would be on the street for weeks with arms if this had happened to them. I'm not saying we should be violent, but why is our side so accepting of the results?

To those on the other side, I don't care what you say. Your leaders rejected this President even before he took office, despite a significant win in the popular vote and a massive electoral vote total. I have to wonder how accepted those on the right would be if Romney had won the popular vote, yet fallen significantly short in the electoral vote.

[politicallefty]

Is this a trolling?


If not:


lol

Yes, a Hillary supporter posts a topic less than a week after the election and there's an accusation of trolling. No, I was very serious and would support Californian independence should it come to the ballot.

The only trolling I see is your own. I'm deadly serious here. This isn't some narrow margin that can be swept under the rug. Hillary Clinton will win the popular vote by at least 2%, if not even 3%. Everything I said stands.

[politicallefty]

The US electoral system for good or ill was known to all candidates at the outset. Trump won by that system, against the odds. Technically neither candidate had a majority, and I prefer a system with a runoff in that case. But for our current system, I think Phony Moderate had an excellent analogy.

I'm trying my damnedest to accept the result, but this is the second time the result of the people will be overridden by an accidental distribution of state boundaries. I don't know how you feel about Donald Trump, but I assume you at least supported Mitt Romney. I can't imagine you would feel differently from me if Mitt Romney had won the popular vote and was actually going to expand that lead with all of the remaining late ballots.

Get over it ... please.

The system is as it is. If you have a problem with the electoral college, then abolish it. And stop whining around. It seems many Hillary supporters and Democrats are so used to Obama and his policies that they have a really hard time allowing a Republican in again. And if they'd think a little bit longer, they'd know that Trump won't be the fascist President that they expected him to be. He'll likely turn out as a literal tame pu**y as President I guess.

You're apparently on my friends list. I don't know why you are so apprehensive to me. My biggest fear over the next four years is the Supreme Court. I don't think Trump gives a damn about it, but I know Pence and how radically socially conservative he is. Democrats stand a good chance at getting the House back in two years, but the Senate is almost mathematically impossible. I know how the system works, but that changes little unless a state forces constitutional issues.

[politicallefty]

The US electoral system for good or ill was known to all candidates at the outset. Trump won by that system, against the odds. Technically neither candidate had a majority, and I prefer a system with a runoff in that case. But for our current system, I think Phony Moderate had an excellent analogy.

I'm trying my damnedest to accept the result, but this is the second time the result of the people will be overridden by an accidental distribution of state boundaries. I don't know how you feel about Donald Trump, but I assume you at least supported Mitt Romney. I can't imagine you would feel differently from me if Mitt Romney had won the popular vote and was actually going to expand that lead with all of the remaining late ballots.

I wouldn't like the result if the tables were turned, but I wouldn't share the lack of acceptance. The laws for such things as dates for early voting, voting by mail, and provisional ballots also affect the result as does the EC, and sometimes are changed the same year as the election. In 2014 I watched a friend in a close race lead in the count at the end of election day, but lose two weeks after the election due to an new provisional ballot pilot program. Yet I didn't feel it was an unacceptable result, since everyone knew the law going into the fall campaign.

FWIW, here's an observation of mine in relation to your point that this is the second time in 16 years that this has happened.

I know you're trying, but I don't think you justified your claim at all. While I don't want to ruin your career in Republican politics in Chicagoland, that kind of argument would never have been realized with states as they currently are. The difference between the largest and smallest state is far greater than it was at the founding of our nation. It's not that I don't accept the results of the system, as you do. My point was to note how things would be if this situation were reversed. Imagine Hillary Clinton with a substantial electoral vote margin while losing the popular vote by 1-2%. Trump supporters wouldn't be anywhere near as gracious as Hillary Clinton supporters have been.

Candidates I vote on literally never win/are able to enter the parliament/local governing bodies and I don't have problems with accepting that.

The difference is that the person I voted for for President of the United States actually got the most votes of anyone and unfortunately won't take office because our system of government is based on the thoughts of long-dead white male slave owners that too many in this country view as divine word.