DNC software breach gave Sanders campaign confidential Clinton Data

[JerryArkansas]

This will only backfire on the filthy, slimy Clinton campaign and its aider and abettor, the DNC and DWS.

More reason for Hillary to be re-defeated.

Just like Whitewater did, or Vince Foster.  Clinton did nothing.  Sanders is just as slimy and  crooked as Clinton, at least she doesn't try to act high and mighty as Sanders. 

Also looks like the Sanders supporters are seeing the Emperor without clothes.

[JerryArkansas]

The DNC and DWS are pulling all the stops to destroy the Sanders campaign. That's been obvious for months now.

It's not the fault of the Sanders campaign though that the DNC is so highly incompetent in protecting or segregating the data of the 3 campaigns, so that even a primary school child can access them. The Sanders campaign also did the right thing and immediately fired the apprentice.

First off, it's not the DNC fault the contractor is not doing well.  Second, there is evidence that even more staffers were doing this, and have they been fired, last time I checked no.  Third you look so stupid right now.  The Sanders camp could have handled this in a way which would not lead to this.  They wanted to abuse the system, and now they are receiving the reward for doing that.

[JerryArkansas]

Also, denying them access to their own campaign data as retaliation ?

WTF ?

The DNC has really turned into Hilldog's campaign vessel lately ...

Oh stopping someone from accessing data until they make sure they can't get to the other data is bad.

[JerryArkansas]

The DNC and DWS are pulling all the stops to destroy the Sanders campaign. That's been obvious for months now.

It's not the fault of the Sanders campaign though that the DNC is so highly incompetent in protecting or segregating the data of the 3 campaigns, so that even a primary school child can access them. The Sanders campaign also did the right thing and immediately fired the apprentice.

First off, it's not the DNC fault the contractor is not doing well.  Second, there is evidence that even more staffers were doing this, and have they been fired, last time I checked no.  Third you look so stupid right now.  The Sanders camp could have handled this in a way which would not lead to this. They wanted to abuse the system, and now they are receiving the reward for doing that.

The files were accessed by a young, inexperienced apprentice, who they immediately fired. No "abuse of the system". That's laughable. You are making an elephant out of a fly.

So senor level staff is young, inexperienced and just an apprentice.  Sanders need more experienced staff then.

[JerryArkansas]

So DWS is saying that the "temporary" suspension will remain in effect until an "independent audit" is conducted and the findings are released. Have you ever seen the speed at which any Democratic Party has "audits" and "studies" conducted? What she is actually saying is "we're suspending the Sanders campaign's access to new data *and all of their data they have already collected* until after the primaries have begun".

This s[inks]t-head needs to go. Now. I don't care about any breach of data. I don't care about what people think of Sanders or his bat-s[inks]t crazy supporters. I don't care about some non-legally binding "memorandum of understanding". The DNC is obviously not firing the incompetent company that made it possible (which is how it works in practically every other circumstance), nor are they willing to restore access to the system for a campaign whose already fired the chief architect of the data access and after the vulnerability itself has clearly been corrected.

Other than thinking she hasn't been a good Chair whatsoever, I haven't been on the "fire DWS" bandwagon, but I am now.

I do agree with this.  The company needs to be fired, and DWS I expect will be out
if Hillary is elected.  I think Hillary and about every other person in the Democratic Party hates her.  But only if a women does it can the anti women argument not be used. 

[JerryArkansas]

While the facts still come out, let us marvel at the statement Clinton just released about this.



The perfect statement is such a chaotic situation. 

[JerryArkansas]

I think it will be very difficult for Sanders supporters to turn out and vote for Hillary in 2016, especially if they feel that his campaign was undermined by them. Honestly, I feel Bernie would be a huge asset on the trail he draws big crowds can raise a ton of grassroots $$ and energize, and more importantly a huge amount of small donors. He may not lift a finger for her campaign after all of this.

If he does that, I hope to god his ass is ing gone in 2018.  Put up a top notch candidate against him.  If he doesn't want to be a Democrat, then treat him like someone who isn't a Democrat.  I love this dude, but if loses the race for us, let him go to the wolves.

[JerryArkansas]

I think it will be very difficult for Sanders supporters to turn out and vote for Hillary in 2016, especially if they feel that his campaign was undermined by them. Honestly, I feel Bernie would be a huge asset on the trail he draws big crowds can raise a ton of grassroots $$ and energize, and more importantly a huge amount of small donors. He may not lift a finger for her campaign after all of this.

If he does that, I hope to god his ass is ing gone in 2018.  Put up a top notch candidate against him.  If he doesn't want to be a Democrat, then treat him like someone who isn't a Democrat.  I love this dude, but if loses the race for us, let him go to the wolves.

No he won't lose anything, that is Hillary's job to inspire those voters and she and the DNC have done nothing but alienate them to this point. I hate when people blame the voters and not the candidate.

I'm not blaming the voters, I would blame Bernie.  He is running for the Democratic Nomination for Gods sack.  If he doesn't unite behind the person who wins, then abandon him, leave him die off in the wilderness. 

[JerryArkansas]

I think it will be very difficult for Sanders supporters to turn out and vote for Hillary in 2016, especially if they feel that his campaign was undermined by them. Honestly, I feel Bernie would be a huge asset on the trail he draws big crowds can raise a ton of grassroots $$ and energize, and more importantly a huge amount of small donors. He may not lift a finger for her campaign after all of this.

If he does that, I hope to god his ass is ing gone in 2018.  Put up a top notch candidate against him.  If he doesn't want to be a Democrat, then treat him like someone who isn't a Democrat.  I love this dude, but if loses the race for us, let him go to the wolves.

No he won't lose anything, that is Hillary's job to inspire those voters and she and the DNC have done nothing but alienate them to this point. I hate when people blame the voters and not the candidate.

What has Clinton done specifically in this campaign to alienate Sanders' supporters?

Nothing, they are pissed because she is winning, and they in there minds think she represents a big bad monster.  What none of them realize is how bad the Republicans are.  If they don't vote for her in the general if she gets the nomination, they can go fuck themselves for all I care.  I am so tired of running race after race and losing it because a part of the party is pissed their candidate didn't win.  That is what Republicans do, aren't we suppose to be above that.

[JerryArkansas]

My position on this has evolved considerably over the course of the day. What I'm incensed about now is the fact that the DNC is holding an entire campaign hostage. However, it appears significantly that the Sanders team was doing more than merely "collecting information to report". This just came across my feed; I am not sure if it was just updated or what:

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What these lists essentially translate to is the following:

• HFA Turnout 60-100 - People (probably Hillary supporters) who have a 60-100% chance of turning out in the primary if engaged
• HFA Support 50-100 - People who have a 50-100% chance of supporting Hillary in the primary
• HFA Support <30 - People who have less than a 30% chance of supporting Hillary in IA
• HFA Turnout 30-70 - People who have a 30-70% chance of turnout out in the primary if engaged in NH

These were not lists being collected in preparation of showing evidence for a bug...

I saw this a few hours ago on twitter, and this is why I've been so pissed at some sanders supporters.  His campgin was steal vital data concerning stuff like this.  And some of them shrug it off like nothing.

[JerryArkansas]

Yeah, I don't even care about this anymore. His staff stole data and he's a martyr or whatever. Ethics mean nothing anymore.

The drums begin to beat for an independent run.

Good. It needs to be an option if the DNC doesn't show Bernie some basic respect immediately. Trump threatened to go 3rd party for far less than this.

Actually Trump threatened to go third party for more than this. Among others, they were threatening to take Trump's nomination away from him if he were to enter a brokered convention with the most delegates and popular votes.

A brokered convention is some crazy hypothetical. What the DNC did to Bernie is most definitely not a hypothetical.

This is the last time I'm going to respond to you, since you are not reasonable, unlike Adam.  His campaign stole vital data about potential voters in 10 early states.  This issue had not come up before on this software.  Senior staff of his campaign were doing  this.  The DNC has ever right to suspend being able to use this for a bit and only for a bit.   Sanders, his campaign staff, and some of his supporters are acting as if they are the victims, when they were the perpetrators of this action.  It doesn't matter if it was glitch, he still abused it.  If this was the federal government, he would be under indictment right now.  He is lucky this doesn't violate federal law.  Admit he was in the wrong and work with the DNC to move past this.  If not, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[JerryArkansas]

Yeah, I don't even care about this anymore. His staff stole data and he's a martyr or whatever. Ethics mean nothing anymore.

The drums begin to beat for an independent run.

Good. It needs to be an option if the DNC doesn't show Bernie some basic respect immediately. Trump threatened to go 3rd party for far less than this.

Actually Trump threatened to go third party for more than this. Among others, they were threatening to take Trump's nomination away from him if he were to enter a brokered convention with the most delegates and popular votes.

A brokered convention is some crazy hypothetical. What the DNC did to Bernie is most definitely not a hypothetical.

This is the last time I'm going to respond to you, since you are not reasonable, unlike Adam.  His campaign stole vital data about potential voters in 10 early states.  This issue had not come up before on this software.  Senior staff of his campaign were doing  this.  The DNC has ever right to suspend being able to use this for a bit and only for a bit.   Sanders, his campaign staff, and some of his supporters are acting as if they are the victims, when they were the perpetrators of this action.  It doesn't matter if it was glitch, he still abused it.  If this was the federal government, he would be under indictment right now.  He is lucky this doesn't violate federal law.  Admit he was in the wrong and work with the DNC to move past this.  If not, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The DNC was already known to be in Hillary's camp. This story shouldn't have been released to the media. The Bernie campaign already fired the person involved. And yet they are still locked out of their own data and the DNC chair went on TV to bash Bernie. He damn straight is the victim here. Bernie didn't do anything wrong, it's not like he downloaded top secret classified information onto his own server. You unreasonable Hillary partisans will split this party in two.

You know what screw it, I am going to respond.
 First on the press getting the story.  This is a race for president.  Everything that happens is game in this race.  Anything that the candidates do during the race or their campaigns do is game.
Second, of course he was fired, but others did this as well, and are they fired no. 
Third, DWS is a horrible person, no one likes her.  Hillary would probably like it if she had not supported her.
Fourth, it is the Bernie supporter talking about splitting the party in two with a independent run.  Every Clinton supporter I know before today would be happy to have voted for him.

But of course your just going to ignore reasonable argument, and ignore mounting evidence and continue to bash Clinton no matter what.

[JerryArkansas]

The lawsuit says the 2008 Hillary campaign gained confidential information from a similar bug. But I guess no one felt like using that against them.

Prove it, then I will believe you.

[JerryArkansas]

You know what screw it, I am going to respond.
 First on the press getting the story.  This is a race for president.  Everything that happens is game in this race.  Anything that the candidates do during the race or their campaigns do is game.
Second, of course he was fired, but others did this as well, and are they fired no. 
Third, DWS is a horrible person, no one likes her.  Hillary would probably like it if she had not supported her.
Fourth, it is the Bernie supporter talking about splitting the party in two with a independent run.  Every Clinton supporter I know before today would be happy to have voted for him.

But of course your just going to ignore reasonable argument, and ignore mounting evidence and continue to bash Clinton no matter what.

The staffer was fired. And the Bernie campaign said there were issues months ago but didn't go running to the press then. This story was leaked by some combination of the DNC or Hillary campaign even though it would be very divisive for the party. It's very stupid if you're trying to win a general election. Similar incidents have happened in the past, but the Bernie campaign doesn't put sh**t like this in the media.

The conspiracy argument, I like it.  Hard to prove either true or false. 

[JerryArkansas]

The lawsuit says the 2008 Hillary campaign gained confidential information from a similar bug. But I guess no one felt like using that against them.

Prove it, then I will believe you.

It's in the lawsuit. I don't think anyone ran to the media, so I don't know if more information is publicly available.

No, prove she used stolen information.  I do believe it's in the suit, but don't believe they have any proof at all.