Am I the only one who didn't know there was a Republican debate on TV tonight?

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Paul is creating a buzz backstage apparently. He's also leading in the text-message poll by Fox but of course they're just saying that his organization is voting for him.

lol nice spin Fox.

Paul 30%
Romney 27%
Giuliani 16%

Go Paul go!

How is it spin?  Expirience has always taught me that anytime the libertarians see a chance to spam a poll, they will x10

Plus every liberal who was watching probably spamed for Paul

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The Democrats absolutely did the right thing. Fox News should not be given any legitimacy.

Because Democrats want to unite America, right?

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Because Democrats want to unite America, right?

No, because Fox News is the media arm of the Republican party. They treat Democrats with zero respect, so why should Democrats respect them?

It makes zero sense for Democrats to pay any attention to Fox News. Their viewers are 90% Republican, and other 10% are mainly solid Democrats who watch for entertainment purposes only.

Well, even assuming that your flawed logic is correct, then doesn't that just show that Democrats can't/don't want to try to talk tot he other side?

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I feeling that the quality of this thread is about to decline quite rapidly.

You should know that the longer a thread goes on, the closer the chance of a thread comes to going to Hell =1

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I feeling that the quality of this thread is about to decline quite rapidly.

Anytime Fox News is mentioned in a thead, it gives the conservatives on this board another chance to bash Democrats.

Did you expect anything different?

No, everytime Fox News is mentioned in a thread it give the Dems a chance to bash Fox News

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No, everytime Fox News is mentioned in a thread it give the Dems a chance to bash Fox News

No, it was your side who keeps brining up that the Democrats finally got a clue and aren't going to debate on a Republican propaganada outlet like Faux News. They'll merely be debating on right leaning networks like CNN or ABC instead.

No need for me to post when you just keep proving my points for me.

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Well, even assuming that your flawed logic is correct, then doesn't that just show that Democrats can't/don't want to try to talk tot he other side?

Why do they need Fox News to "talk to other side"? There are a million other media outlets that reach Republicans as well.

Well, if the Fox News audience is 90% Republican, as you claim, then there is no better outlet for the Democrats to exploit if they really want reachout to Republican voters.  The only thing better woudl be an 8-way shoot out with Rush Limbaugh as the moderator.

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Well, if the Fox News audience is 90% Republican, as you claim, then there is no better outlet for the Democrats to exploit if they really want reachout to Republican voters.

Those people are going to vote Republican  no matter what. It is futile trying to reach them.

1) Its good to see that the Democrats have such confidence in their ideas.

2) The whole idea of "reaching out" is to try to appeal to people who disagree with you.

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Hannity is really grinding his teeth saying that Paul won and keeps having to declare that he doesn't believe that he won.

Because he didn't.  This isn't exactly a sceintific poll.  And, for the second time, anytime libertarians have a chance to spam a poll or something else, they do it x10.

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1) Its good to see that the Democrats have such confidence in their ideas.

2) The whole idea of "reaching out" is to try to appeal to people who disagree with you.

It is useless trying to reach you on this issue, Soulty. If Democrats had a Fox News equivalent, you'd understand.

Maybe you are right, my .05 S 1.04 E Politcal score would seem to clearly suggest that I am way to far to the Right to comprehend bias when I see it.

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1) Its good to see that the Democrats have such confidence in their ideas.

2) The whole idea of "reaching out" is to try to appeal to people who disagree with you.

It is useless trying to reach you on this issue, Soulty. If Democrats had a Fox News equivalent, you'd understand.

There's DailyKos and Moreon.org and Salon.com. Somehow those and Republican debate don't go so well together.

Well, except that those are usually more accurate.

I'm sorry that your candidates are acctually so scared of Fox that they won't even go there to debate.  Doesn't set up a good precedent shoudl they have to face down terrorist of North Korea in a few years.  Then again, I find a strage resemblance between Kim Jong Il and Sean Hannity, so maybe it is understandable.

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I'm not even a Paul fan but to just write off someone's ideas the way they are doing to Paul is just ludicrous.

Now imagine if every member of your party (not named Joe Lieberman) got treated that same way all the time.

One word for you... Dennis Kucinich

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Hannity is really grinding his teeth saying that Paul won and keeps having to declare that he doesn't believe that he won.

Because he didn't.  This isn't exactly a sceintific poll.  And, for the second time, anytime libertarians have a chance to spam a poll or something else, they do it x10.

I didn't say that I thought that Paul actually won the debate or that the poll wasn't "spammed", my statements are a more of reflection of Hannity. I do think it's quite unfair to write off Paul like that though.

Well, I will grant you that.

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I'm sorry that your candidates are acctually so scared of Fox that they won't even go there to debate.  Doesn't set up a good precedent shoudl they have to face down terrorist of North Korea in a few years.

First off, that is a ridiculous statement and you know it.

Secondly, when the Republicans agree to do a Moveon.org debate, then you can complain about Democrats not doing a Fox News debate.

I know its ridiculous, I just wish you would see how ridiculous what you are saying is.  First off, Moveon isn't national TV.  Second, the Democrats are not gonna get mowed down if they go on Fox.

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Second, the Democrats are not gonna get mowed down if they go on Fox.

They'll get the same level of respect that Sean Hannity gave Ron Paul.

Again, it really doesn't make any sense for Democrats to do a Fox News debate. I wish you would take the partisan blinders off and realize that.

I don't expect Republicans to do a Moveon.org debate, and you shouldn't expect Democrats to do a Fox News debate.

There is a 99% chance that the Republicans are going to do a debate on CNN which, even if we can't agree that it has a liberal slant, we can agree its not Fox.  So why are the Democrats canceling thier appreance on Fox?

I'll tell you exactly why.  It's because:

1) They can get away with it, because their base hates Fox.

2) They are worried about looking bad, or screwing up.  Chances are that they probbaly only have something to loose by debating on Fox as, like you said, most Fox veiwers wouldn't vote for them anyway, but any mistakes they might make would still count against them just as badly.  So why take the time and effort to debate when the change of failure is present with little gain.  Esspecially given how agressive the questioning was tonight.  In fact, it was almost hostile at some points.

The reason I don't like this... all joking and ribbing aside... is because it is more of the same.  The Republicans are shattered and impotent.  The Democrats want to talk about how they want to lead and unite and reach out, but then when they have a chance, they retreat back to tried and tested politcs.

Rudy Giuliani has almost nothing to gain by engaging in any Republican Debates, but he is still out there anyway.  I just wish that one Democrat, and maybe another Republican would show that they mean it when they talk about real leadership.

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Wait, so three questions = 2 hour debate?  I seem to recall a certain infamous tangent that could be made here, but there's no use going there.

It did during the MSNBC debate