Papal Conclave - 2007 Info Center

[12th Doctor]

Two things.  First, I accidentally double counted Hernandez.  Second, I forgot Cardinal Gayan of Calcutta, who voted for Singh (Harry)

[12th Doctor]

All speeches and PMs will have to be in by the time stated in the thread title.

[12th Doctor]

BTW... Yates now counts as a "Key Cardinal"

[12th Doctor]

Also, because of Gabu's activities, I have decided to place a ceiling on how much influence someone can effect in one turn.  Just so that you guys won't feel too intimidated to answer questions or make speeches.  Sorry, but I am getting a few "woah, I can't compares" and I don't want you guys to think that.

[12th Doctor]

Okay, there was a bit of misunderstanding over this, and I didn't lay it out in the rules, so I woudl like to state for future reference...

If you approuch a Cardinal, you leave yourself open to a counter question.  The counter question should be answered during the present turn.

There will only be one counter question, per Cardinal, per turn.

[12th Doctor]

Okay, there was a bit of misunderstanding over this, and I didn't lay it out in the rules, so I woudl like to state for future reference...

If you approuch a Cardinal, you leave yourself open to a counter question.  The counter question should be answered during the present turn.

There will only be one counter question, per Cardinal, per turn.

You make the counter-question sound like a sword stab... :S

Well, as some of the players have foudn out, they can be at times. 

[12th Doctor]

Okay, there was a bit of misunderstanding over this, and I didn't lay it out in the rules, so I woudl like to state for future reference...

If you approuch a Cardinal, you leave yourself open to a counter question.  The counter question should be answered during the present turn.

There will only be one counter question, per Cardinal, per turn.

You make the counter-question sound like a sword stab... :S

Well, as some of the players have foudn out, they can be at times. 

Out of curiosity, will they always try to nail you with a "gotcha" on a topic that you probably don't agree with them on, or will they just ask about what is most important to them regardless of what you think about it?

Either/or acctually.

[12th Doctor]

Important question: are our votes public in the sense that non-player cardinals are aware of them and will be influenced by it? And what about changes of votes, etc?

Yes, Cardinals who vote for you, or have voted for you in past ballots (provided they didn't stop voting for you because they discovered they didn't like you) will be influenced by your vote, if you continually vote for the same person.

[12th Doctor]

okay, I am enforcing a new doctrine that is going into effect immediatly.  From this poitn forward, ever ballot will last one week.  5 days will be devoted to speeches, Q&A and influencing, two days to voting.

If you don't think you will be able to make it for either or both of those periods for a turn, then you may turn in your speeches, votes and such by PM and I will act on them for you, when the time is right.

As for the two of you who haven't voted yet, you have exactly 24 hours.  From now on, anyone who cannot vote on time will be marked as "abstain".

[12th Doctor]

As for the two of you who haven't voted yet, you have exactly 24 hours.  From now on, anyone who cannot vote on time will be marked as "abstain".

Have you PMed them about the vote?  Maybe they aren't aware they're supposed to vote.

Bono knows he should vote.  I PMed Bacon.

[12th Doctor]

I would point out that abstentions are possible in papal elections.

Yessir

[12th Doctor]

So has the influencing period officially started now?

Yup

[12th Doctor]

Soulty, you have Rudo listed as two different votes in the last tabulation. I sure hope that the Santiago vote is a left-over from last time and that his actual vote this time is for me.

That's weird... Rudo appears twice on the posted list, but not on my Spreadsheet, I'll take care of it.

[12th Doctor]

I'll be gone over the weekend, and I'm not sure if I have time to do proper influencing.  So... Cardinal Cheng makes an impressively moving speech in front of the Cardinals and speaks to every single cardinal who will assure him the win!

Well, okay then... game over, Verin wins.


Seriously, you can just give me the very basics that you want to send out, it'll help a bit at least.

[12th Doctor]

I'm gonna extend the influencing period by a day, as I haven't had a chance to get back to anyone about their PMs yet.

[12th Doctor]

I'm gonna extend the influencing period by a day, as I haven't had a chance to get back to anyone about their PMs yet.

any chance you could move the deadline back a day for memorial day?

say may 29/30 11pm?

Sorry, I missed this.  If you have anything you would like to submit, I would allow you to do so so long as it is before the ballot is over.

[12th Doctor]

I'll have these results out in a bit.  It was a very busy day for me, I was taking a lot of phone calls.

[12th Doctor]

I'll have these results out in a bit.  It was a very busy day for me, I was taking a lot of phone calls.

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Sorry, I'll have them out soon now.  Promise.

[12th Doctor]

Cardinal Antonelli slowly rises.
From Rome to Rio de Janiero, from Palermo to Port au Prince, from Milan to Manila...

...all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Moscow.


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Oh, sorry, wring speech. 

[12th Doctor]

Soulty, I actually really liked the old format. Is it too much trouble to make or would it be possible to bring it back? It's much easier to compare with the old ballot myself than it is to get an over-view of where the votes are coming from. Again, if it's too much trouble I understand that you won't do it. But I'd appreciate it...

Okay, I'll go back to that... others have said they prefered it as well.

[12th Doctor]

I'm gonna make one key change in the rules.


I guess I hadn't really thought about what 50-someodd ballots would look like in the grand scheme of things.  So, I am changing the rules so that, if there is no Pope after 20 ballots, then it goes down to a 3/5 majority.  If after 30 ballots there is still no winner, then if decends to 50% + 1.

[12th Doctor]

could you make that a majority instead of 50% +1?

Do you mean a plurality?  Cause a majority is 50% + 1

[12th Doctor]

could you make that a majority instead of 50% +1?

Do you mean a plurality?  Cause a majority is 50% + 1

No, 59% + 1 is not necessarily a majority.

If there an odd number of votes, 33 for example, a majority 17 in whole numbers (majority means more than half).  Exactly 50% of 33 is 16.5.    50% + 1 of 33 is 17.5 (or 18 in whole numbers).  You'd end up needing a bit more than a majority with 50% + 1.

You might want to check Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority

Well, in this case, we are playing with an even number... but okay... a majority.

[12th Doctor]

could you make that a majority instead of 50% +1?

Do you mean a plurality?  Cause a majority is 50% + 1

No, 59% + 1 is not necessarily a majority.

If there an odd number of votes, 33 for example, a majority 17 in whole numbers (majority means more than half).  Exactly 50% of 33 is 16.5.    50% + 1 of 33 is 17.5 (or 18 in whole numbers).  You'd end up needing a bit more than a majority with 50% + 1.

You might want to check Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority

Well, in this case, we are playing with an even number... but okay... a majority.

Some might not vote, however.

yeah, you have a point

[12th Doctor]

Wow... sorry, I forgot to set a timetable for this ballot... it will end at 11pm on Tuesday