The Fair Wage and Community Revitalization Act (reintroduced)

[12th Doctor]

I agree with clauses 2 & 3, but not one.  Minimum Wage increases only spur on inflation and higher prices.

[12th Doctor]

I vote yea on Senator Spade's ammendment.

[12th Doctor]

I agree with clauses 2 & 3, but not one. Minimum Wage increases only spur on inflation and higher prices.

Except that inflation occurs anyway, and thus not increasing the minimum wage will result in it going down in purchasing power. Passage of this bill would only bring it back to where it once was; I assume from your statements that you would never support a minimum wage increase? You seem to object to it in principle, not to the size.

But it will occure much more rapidly if you increase the wage.

[12th Doctor]

Nay

[12th Doctor]

I would like to propose an Ammendment.

Clause 1
The federal minimum wage of Atlasia shall be increased by $0.50 per hour over the next two years, until it reaches the level of $6.15/hour.

[12th Doctor]

Both of you two:

Take it outside.

[12th Doctor]

Nay, for much the same reasons as before.

I'll give the senators, say, two hours to make any last minute change of decisions before declaring the second amendment to have failed.

Gabu, I proposed my own ammendment eight posts back.

[12th Doctor]

I understand that $1 an hour per employee can add up to a lot of money for companies, but it won't be so much that it will cause a raise in general prices.  In the end, it will be beneficial for the economy and for the working poor.

[12th Doctor]

I understand that $1 an hour per employee can add up to a lot of money for companies, but it won't be so much that it will cause a raise in general prices.  In the end, it will be beneficial for the economy and for the working poor.

Senator could you go into more details on how a minimum wage increase like this would be beneficial to the economy?

It's quite easy, acctually...

Every person gets an extra dollar, in their paycheck, for every hour they work.  After a standard work day, they will have eight extra dollars.  At the end of the standard work week, they will have $40 extra.  They will then spend this money on goods and services.  Perhapes they will be able to buy more gas.  The act of buying the gas puts money in the economy.  They will then be able to drive thier car to work.  This will put less strain on public transportation.  We will be able to cut funding for that and put the money else where, or let people keep it in a tax cut.

I can think of several more senarios where a similar result will occure.

$1 is a lot of money for small businesses, but not enough that anyone is going to go under.  In the end, the tax cut will acctually put more money into the coffers of small businessmen anyway.

I would like to see a measure similar to the one being pushed through the US SEnate at the moment which saves businesses money, while raising the minimum wage, but there is time for that later.

[12th Doctor]

Hmmm... guess I haven't acctually voted on my own amendment yet.


Aye

[12th Doctor]

I would like to draw to the attention of the President Pro-Temp (not his fault, probably hasn't signed on since last night) that my proposed ammendment has passed with 5 votes.

[12th Doctor]

I vote Nay


on Senator Spade's amendment

[12th Doctor]

Nay on Senator Spades Second Amendment.

Anything, like, say, a terroist attack could cause that to happen.  This needs to be drastically ammended to gain my support.  Perhapes a slight drop.  Not a return to the status quo.

[12th Doctor]

Nay on Senator Spades Second Amendment.

Anything, like, say, a terroist attack could cause that to happen.  This needs to be drastically ammended to gain my support.  Perhapes a slight drop.  Not a return to the status quo.

Would you be for it if I put in such language to say that a terrorist attack on the US would have to happen in the span of one year prior to one of these conditions being met and defined what a terrorist attack is?

I would like to see less of a reduction (perhaps half) on the minimum wage and an "unusual circumstances" provision.

[12th Doctor]

Nay

Not unless it is amended.

[12th Doctor]

Oh, come on.  The connection between the two subjects of this ammendment is clear and undisputable.  If we applied this standard to all legislation, we would have a Hell of a time passing anything.

[12th Doctor]

The connection between the two subjects of this ammendment is clear and undisputable.

Amendment?  We're talking about the full bill.

At any rate, Section 1 of this bill seems to be, by far, the major focus for debate and arguments, and the other sections seem to be completely ignored.  I don't see why it'd be a bad thing to allow those who don't like Section 1 but like the rest of the bill to vote against Section 1 while voting in favor of the rest of the of it.

I meant to say bill.

And, as Eric said, it is a comprehensive bill.

[12th Doctor]

I'll come up with something more specific eventually.  Definatly by tomorrow.

[12th Doctor]

My Ammendement:

Clause 4
If at any time within the next 3 years, either one of these two things occur...

1. Three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth, as reported by the Commerce Department.

2. Unemployment numbers grow above 7% for three consecutive quarters, as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The minimum wage increase proposed in Clause 1 will become null and void and the minimum wage will return be reduced by $0.15/hour every quarter, but shall not be reduced to less than $5.50/hour.  This till continue until either the minimun wage becomes %5.50/hour or until economic GDP growth resumes or the unemployment rate drops.

[12th Doctor]

Revised:

Clause 4
If at any time within the next 3 years, either one of these two things occur...

1. Three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth, as reported by the Commerce Department.

2. Unemployment numbers grow above 7% for three consecutive quarters, as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The minimum wage increase proposed in Clause 1 will be reduced by $0.15/hour every quarter, but shall not be reduced to less than $5.50/hour.  This will continue until either the minimun wage becomes $5.50/hour or until economic GDP growth resumes or the unemployment rate drops.

[12th Doctor]

no way am I going to vote on reducing the miniomum wage, and if that amendment passes i'll vote against the bill.


Atlasia already has one of the lowest wage limits in the Western world.

Hugh, it is only a precausion, just in case this has a negative effect on the economy.  Under no condition would it fall back under $5.50.  That is, if we pass my ammendment.